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Starting a couple of comments earlier than usual to mention there are a couple of new salon fics! These probably both need canon knowledge.

[personal profile] felis ficlets on siblings!

Siblings (541 words) by felisnocturna
Chapters: 2/2
Fandom: 18th Century CE RPF
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great, Michael Gabriel Fredersdorf, August Wilhelm von Preußen | Augustus William of Prussia (1722-1758), Wilhelmine von Preußen | Wilhelmine of Prussia (1709-1758)
Summary:

Three Fills for the 2022 Three Sentence Ficathon.

Chapter One: Protective Action / Babysitting at Rheinsberg (Frederick/Fredersdorf, William+Henry+Ferdinand)
Chapter Two: Here Be Lions (Wilhelmine)



Unsent Letters fic by me:

Letters for a Dead King (1981 words) by raspberryhunter
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: 18th Century CE RPF
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great & Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen (1726-1802)
Characters: Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen | Henry of Prussia (1726-1802)
Additional Tags: Epistolary, Love/Hate, Talking To Dead People, Canonical Character Death, Dysfunctional Family
Summary:

Just because one's king and brother is dead doesn't mean one has to stop writing to him.

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-08 11:07 am (UTC)
selenak: (DandyLehndorff)
From: [personal profile] selenak
I see you're reading Lehndorff Volume 2, then, from the quotes. :)

What does "a total Hans Dampf" mean?

A Hans Dampf in allen Gassen is a Jack of all trades, master of none. Though who knows which expression Lehndorff uses in the French original, it's always worth recalling this is an early 20th century translation into German unless the spelling suddenly changes and we get an original German sentence thrown in between French text.

What's with the random cross-dressing?

No idea, but didn't AW do this in some masque, too? Anyway, presumably their clique thought it was hilarious now and then and did it in non-Carneval festivities, too.

"Count Henckel (von Donnersmarck?)

The one who was in Katte's regiment?
ETA: forget it, I just recalled Heinrich’s diary-keeping, Kalkreuth-loathing sidekick from the 7 Years War, who this most likely is./ETA

I see how it goes.

Schmidt-Lötzen: No one wants to hear about Lehndorff's obsession with Heinrich.
Schmidt-Lötzen: *volume 1*
Readers: We do, we do!
Schmidt-Lötzen: *volume 2*


Presumably. I mean, the original volume already includes the Heinrich passion, but volume 2 really delivers it on every page in 1752-1753. (Also all volumes sporadically in later years, of course.) Anyway, bear in mind Charlotte Pangels reads this in the 1970s and somehow still arrives at the conclusion that Lehndorff was in love with Amalie (and that Heinrich was straight). Seriously, how anyone can read any volume of Lehndorff's diaries and miss out on who was the love of his life, or on Heinrich's preferences (given Lehndorff's comments on each of Heinrich's dastardly faves) beats me. Of course, that applies to earlier historians as well, but when you're writing in the 1970s then contemporary prudery or Hohenzollern censorship is no longer an excuse.

Oh, lol, he's visiting a Bredow and there's a great crowd of people, "including a Herr Katt, who doesn't form exactly the most pleasant company for me." Mildred, student of the Katte family, sighs.

Wait till you get to all the Frau von Katte mentions once he renews relations. I remember most of them are in volume 2 as she only shows up once or twice in volume 2, with all of Lehndorff's anti-Katte bile being edited out.

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Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-09 05:04 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
I see you're reading Lehndorff Volume 2, then, from the quotes. :)

Yep, because I own volume 1 in the Font Not of Doom, so if I'm going to practice, it should be on something where I have no other option than Font of Doom. And I wanted something with simple prose, so instead of focusing on vocabulary and grammar, I can focus on "Is this a capital V or a capital B?" (SMH.)

A Hans Dampf in allen Gassen is a Jack of all trades, master of none.

Aha, thank you!

Though who knows which expression Lehndorff uses in the French original, it's always worth recalling this is an early 20th century translation into German unless the spelling suddenly changes and we get an original German sentence thrown in between French text.

Yep, I've been keeping that in mind as I read.

No idea, but didn't AW do this in some masque, too?

Yes, and cross-dressing during balls was normal in Berlin and St. Petersburg (and perhaps other courts), but this made it sound like he was randomly cross-dressing during everyday life, while traveling! (I know women did this when they could get away with it, but the ones I'm aware of usually had a specific reason.)

ETA: forget it, I just recalled Heinrich’s diary-keeping, Kalkreuth-loathing sidekick from the 7 Years War, who this most likely is./ETA

Yeah, that's what I was assuming.

Charlotte Pangels reads this in the 1970s and somehow still arrives at the conclusion that Lehndorff was in love with Amalie

If this is love, it must be metaphysical. :P

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-10 07:01 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
More Katte mentions! This is how I spent most of my evening.

So first there was another excerpt from an entry with no context, meaning I had to go back to volume 1 again to see what he was talking about. (Did you notice this when you were reading, Selena?)

Volume 2, contextless: Heinrich visits Lehndorff and tries to comfort him, but in vain. Only the Countess Bentinck manages to make him feel a little better. [Interesting!]

Volume 1, context: The saddest day of Lehndorff's life. There's a young man named Marschall, who got smallpox and died. Lehndorff took to his bed with grief. Previous entries show Lehndorff had been visiting him* and worrying about him.

But what seems to upset Lehndorff almost as much as the death, at least going by word count devoted to it: this young man's entire fortune now falls to Staatsminister Katte, the red-headed first cousin of Hans Hermann whom we've seen Lehndorff hate on before! Lehndorff says the poor young man's grandmother had economized for 86 years so her grandson could live a happy life, and now everything is going to this Katte whom she despises.

Lehndorff has dinner with said Katte, who is playing fake sad but can't hide his joy.

Lehndorff, never missing a chance to begrudge a Katte cousin an inheritance.

Now, I, of course, am wondering 1) who is this Marschall, and 2) why is Staatsminister Katte getting his entire inheritance?

I was sort of able to answer the first question, but still have no answer to the second.

Thanks to Felis's newspapers, I fiiiiinally found he was named Friedrich Albrecht Marschall von Bieberstein, he was 23, and he was a Legationsrat. But I haven't been able to turn up any geneaological details on him. Nor does anything on Katte's side make sense of a connection: the Staatsminister never married (my first thought was that this was his wife's brother), and his mother was a von Möllendorf. He also has two living older brothers.

A mystery!

Anyway, I am surprised that Heinrich, who can cure headaches by his very existence, isn't able to comfort Lehndorff when the Countess Bentinck is.

But two days later, dear friend Heinrich shows up and makes Lehndorff go for a walk with him. Lehndorff does feel somewhat better, although he's still in pain. Also, he has to sup with the stupid Staatsminister again that night, and he's bored to death.

Topic: The problem is that Staatsminister didn't tell enough stories about Hans Hermann, or told too many stories about Hans Hermann and not enough about the real hero of 1730? Discuss. :P [Either way, many lost opportunities here.]

* I take it this means Lehndorff has had smallpox? Btw, I *finally* found someone acknowledging that Louis XV had smallpox in his youth and then finally died of it in his 60s! The author says having it once doesn't *always* confer perfect and lasting immunity. Which makes sense.

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-10 08:55 am (UTC)
selenak: (CourtierLehndorff)
From: [personal profile] selenak
So first there was another excerpt from an entry with no context, meaning I had to go back to volume 1 again to see what he was talking about. (Did you notice this when you were reading, Selena?)

Now and then.

Anyway, I am surprised that Heinrich, who can cure headaches by his very existence, isn't able to comfort Lehndorff when the Countess Bentinck is.

Perhaps because Lehndorff isn't in love with the Countess. At this point (1753), he's still hoping for an exclusive relationship with Heinrich, after all, and constantly switching between the ecstasy of love and the misery of jealousy. On the one hand, Heinrich visiting him to comfort and cheer him up proves he cares, otoh, maybe Heinrich casually mentions one of the other guys, or maybe he's not even alone?

Anyway, between Lehndorff's admiration, Sophie/future Catherine crushing on her as a teenager and Voltaire admiring her, Countess Bentinck must have been great company.

Topic: The problem is that Staatsminister didn't tell enough stories about Hans Hermann, or told too many stories about Hans Hermann and not enough about the real hero of 1730? Discuss. :P [

LOL. I can see either possibility. Though to be fair, even with Lehndorff being TEAM KEITH, I think his general interest in anecdotes and recent history would ensure he'd find stories about Hans Hermann interesting, if only for the Fritz connection. I mean, this is Lehndorff, who does note Fritz related tales down even if Heinrich isn't involved as well (as with Marwitz), see also Glasow or Fritz' first meeting with Henri de Catt. So would guess if the Staatsminister told any Hans Herrmann stories, he would have joted down at least some of them.

Counter suggestion: maybe the Staatsminister told Lehndorff all about the impending marital bliss of his cousin Ludolf with Demoiselle du Rosey?

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-10 09:42 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Perhaps because Lehndorff isn't in love with the Countess...otoh, maybe Heinrich casually mentions one of the other guys, or maybe he's not even alone?

Yeah, that had occurred to me, given all the jealousy passages.

Anyway, between Lehndorff's admiration, Sophie/future Catherine crushing on her as a teenager and Voltaire admiring her, Countess Bentinck must have been great company.

Indeed!

So would guess if the Staatsminister told any Hans Herrmann stories, he would have joted down at least some of them.

Fair!

Counter suggestion: maybe the Staatsminister told Lehndorff all about the impending marital bliss of his cousin Ludolf with Demoiselle du Rosey?

OH NOES. Lol.

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-12 04:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Lol, you made me think of Galadriel. "All shall love me and despair!"

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SAME

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-11 05:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Update: Marschall is Lehndorff's cousin! I figured, since they were both from Prussia, that they knew each other from back home. And now he's concerned that he hasn't gotten any letters from Prussia concerning Marschall's death.

Aww, Lehndorff finding religious comfort in the idea that there is a God who makes all these things happen according to his will.

Heinrich: the dearest of mortals. <3

Oh, wow, now he's the only friend Lehndorff has in the world.

Oh, wait, wait, wait! Another mystery is cleared up (I think).

Okay, remember back when I was reading volume 1, and Lehndorff lost a fortune to a hated Katte rival that was supposed to come to him from his "cousin"? I assumed this was cousin du Rosey, whom he was supposed to marry, but Selena pointed out that the German says "Vetter," which is male cousin. We agreed, "What are the odds that Lehndorff lost two fortunes from two cousins between 1750 and 1755 to a hated Katte rival?" and Selena speculated that the French "cousine" had an illegible -e.

Now that I've put together the entries from the two volumes (seriously, I think I'm going to have to start reading them in conjunction), the male cousin must be Marschall!

Okay, this grudge against the Katte family is starting to make sense. Ludolf gets the woman Lehndorff wanted to marry *and* her fortune, and his younger brother Heinrich Christoph, the Staatsminister, gets the fortune Lehndorff was supposed to inherit from beloved cousin Marschall von Bieberstein!

I'm still just terribly curious how Lehndorff lost out on this fortune in favor of a Katte. Fritz intervening again?

ETA: No, it can't be. It would make sense of why Lehndorff's so upset about a Katte getting the inheritance (if it was at his expense), but it doesn't work for several reasons:

1. The timing doesn't work. His hopes re his cousin's fortune are "disappearing" on March 20. On March 11, Marschall's fortune has already gone to Katte. Furthmore, Lehndorff says that the fortune has been promised to him for a long time, and cousin Marschall was only 23 and died unexpectedly of smallpox.

2. The emotions don't work: Lehndorff says he was so happy because he was going to be rich, but that doesn't fit with the unexpected pox of a beloved 23-year old whose sickbed he's been visiting regularly. (It fits with Fritz and Wilhelmine waiting for FW to kick the bucket.)

The emotional language fits much more with the female cousin marriage:

There is really nothing sadder for a person than to be in the situation of achieving good or very good circumstances, and with one blow to be robbed of this prospect. I was pleased with my situation, I had the hope of becoming rich; everything was looking good for me. Then, in the moment in which I thought to have it all, I see myself condemned to a modest fate, which is hard to bear.

So we're back to thinking "cousine" might have been misread as "cousin."

Lehndorff, your cousin relationships are very confusing, and also, why did Staatsminister Katte get Marschall's fortune? I still wonder if his had to do with Fritz, since I'm not seeing a relationship through the female line (but I also can't get a full family tree, so I could easily be missing a connection).

But man, Lehndorff seeing Staatsminister Katte get a fortune on March 11 and Ludolf on March 20...the resentment is understandable!
Edited Date: 2022-07-11 09:24 am (UTC)

Re: Lehndorff - the inheritence business

Date: 2022-07-11 09:56 am (UTC)
selenak: (DadLehndorff)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Actually, the 1787 diary offers an explanation, In the middle of a lengthy outburst about how life keeps teasing him and screwing him (Fritz gives him the chamberlain for EC office when he's just 19 - and then remains hostile ever after, Heinrich is his friend for 40 years but keeps falling for bastards and spends thousands on bloody KAPHENGST (Lehndorff still isn't over the bastards in general and Kaphengst and all his money in particular), AW dies tragically, AW's son FW2 is nice and loving to Lehndorff and invites him to Berlin once he's King, but then doesn't give him a job, either, etc., we get this, which is also an example of how Lehndorff presents the past somewhat differently than how he described it in the original diary entries:

Dieselben Erfahrungen habe ich in Geldangelegenheiten gemacht. Als ich 20 Jahre alt war, sollte ich ein sehr reiches Fräulein du R o s e y heiraten. Ihre Familie wünschte durchaus diese Verbindung, und die meinige nötigte mich beinahe mit Gewalt dazu. Im letzten Augenblick brachte aber eine böse Schwiegermutter die Sache zum Scheitern. Das junge Fräulein hatte einen Halbbruder, Marschall v.Biberstein, der mir sehr zugetan war, während er seine Schwester nicht leiden konnte. Er beabsichtigte, mir sein ganzes Vermögen zu hinterlassen. Da kommt er nach Berlin, bekommt die Pocken, will ein Testament zu meinen Gunsten machen, verliert den Kopf und stirbt. Nun heirate ich das reiche Fräulein v. H à s e l e r. Sie macht mich glücklich und schenkt mir vier Kinder, von denen zwei leben und wohlauf sind. Sie hat eine einzige Schwester, die Blut speit, und eine schlagflüssige Mutter, die mir schwerlich die Reichtümer der ganzen Familie gegönnt hätte. Da ereilt mich im Verlauf von acht Monaten ein schreckliches Geschick. Meine beiden reizenden Kinder sterben binnen 24 Stunden am Keuchhusten. Meine Frau, die gerade schwanger ist, bekommt Nervenkrämpfe, kommt zu früh nieder, wird immer schwächer und stirbt in Koblenz, und ich bleibe im größten Herzeleid und des ganzen großen Vermögens beraubt zurück

Translation: I've made the same experience in money matters. When I was twenty, I was supposed to marry a very rich Fräulein du Rosey. Her family was all for the match while mine nearly had to force me into it. But in the last moment, an evil mother-in-law ruined everything. The young miss had a half brother, Marschall v. Bieberstein, who had much affection for me while he couldn't stand his sister. He wanted to leave all his fortune to me. Then he comes to Berlin, wants to make a last will in my favor, gets small pox, loses his head and dies. Then I marry rich Fräulein von Hasel. She makes me happy and gives me four children, of whom two live and are well. She has only one sister who spits blood and a mother who keeps having strokes and who isn't likely to want me to have the family fortune. Then I suffer a horrible fate within eight months. My two charming children die within twenty four hours of diphteria. My wife, who is pregnant at the time, gets nervous attacks, gets into labor too early, keeps weakening and dies in Koblenz, and I remain alone with the greatest suffering of the heart and without all the enormous fortune.

Okay, Lehndorff. Firstly, if you had to be practically forced into the engagement, what were all those complaints about Frau von Katte, the one who got away, who'd suited you perfectly all about? And all the entries about how Ludolf is the worst, and so are his other family members, and your poor cousin etc? Conversely, does that mean you changed your opinion about Cousin du Rosey twice, because as I recall there's an early entry in volume 1 about seeing the one "I was supposed to marry" at the opera and how happy you feel you didn't have to marry her? Was this perhaps a case of sore grapes? What was going on?

Re: Lehndorff - the inheritence business

Date: 2022-07-11 10:05 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
OOOHHH. Thank you! Selena saves the day! I was starting to wonder if cousin du Rosey and Marschall von Bieberstein were related.

Okay, so I'm still a little confused. There are two separate inheritances? Hers (from her parents) and his? Because she was rich before he died unexpectedly, right?

Also, I seem to recall Fontane said Ludolf was supposed to pick up the rich heiress for one of his brothers, and ended up marrying her instead. I guess Staatsminister von Katte (who never married) was the one who was supposed to marry her, and then he was screwed over by his older brother?

"Never let fraternal ties get in the way of grabbing a fortune," said every Katte ever. ([personal profile] cahn, remember that Katte's two younger half-brothers killed each other in a duel over Hans Heinrich's fortune, then everyone pretended it was over a woman.)

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Re: Lehndorff - the inheritence business

Date: 2022-07-11 10:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Was this perhaps a case of sore grapes? What was going on?

Maybe, or maybe the positive opinions were influenced by rose-colored glasses because she came with money. I'm not saying he only cared about money, but I am seeing a theme here:

"My poor cousin died at age 23!" "Damn, I was supposed to get his money."

"My wonderful cousin I could have happily married." "Damn, I was supposed to get her money."

"My wonderful wife who died at the same time as our children." "Damn, I was supposed to get her money."

As I recall, they seemed to get along after she married Ludolf, but, it's a lot easier to be friends with someone from a distance than to live happily ever after.

I'm inclined to agree with you that the money is skewing his opinion on Cousin du Rosey in one direction (sour grapes) or the other (rose-colored glasses), I'm just not sure which.

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Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-14 10:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Still practicing font, still laughing my head off at Lehndorff's antics.

I've also come to the conclusion that it's obligatory to read volume 1 in sync with volume 2, for context.

Example:

Volume 2: "As for me, I sneak out of the room, in order to visit my 'einziggeliebten' [sorry, this is so good I couldn't bring myself to translate it] friend for a moment."

Volume 1: "Birthday of the queen mother. Large and luxurious dinner with the queen; we dine off gold. True happiness isn't found in court feasts; boredom usually accompanies this luxury."

See, it's important to know *what* he's sneaking out of to visit his only-beloved friend! Chronology isn't just plot, it's also characterization, as I always like to say.

April 1: "Three weeks ago, I thought I was happy, now I'm the saddest of people."

April 2: "I spend the evening at home quietly and in sweet melancholy. That does not hinder me from thinking often of my dear, only friend." No, Lehndorff, I wouldn't imagine it did.

WHAT. (Liveblogging again, so you get to see my emotional reactions to things in real time.)

April 3. "Dinner with Prince Henry; the Prince of Prussia is also there. In the afternoon we go walking in the garden of Frau Marschall, where we experience a droll performance. Then we look at the books of the allegedly deceased Marschall, who has fled, and everyone takes something from among them."

Wait, Marschall faked his death so he could disappear?!

OOOHHH, this is making sense of something I read when I was trying to figure out who this guy was. (Though it does inevitably open up more questions.)

See, when I was searching for Staatsminister Katte and a Marschall, I found Samuel Marschall, a guy from East Prussia, who rose from the middle class to the nobility by impressing both FW and Fritz. His successor in certain official positions in the 1740s was Staatsminister Katte. (But not in a way that made me understand why he would get a fortune.)

So I looked at Samuel's children, but couldn't find any who died in 1753. He had a son who was a legation counselor, just like Lehndorff's Marschall was a legation counselor from East Prussia (which would make sense for a Lehndorff cousin, as the Lehndorffs are from East Prussia), but he died in 1805 and has no birthdate listed in Wikipedia.

While googling, I saw historians mentioning that famous Samuel Marschall had a no-good son who fled Berlin to escape his creditors, but I thought it couldn't be the same one as Lehndorff's, as that one died before he had a chance to do anything like that.

HE FAKED HIS DEATH. It was even in the Berlin newspaper!

Wooooow. Sorry, Lehndorff, he was in deep debt, and you were never going to get that fortune.

Detective work is fun and yields gossipy sensationalism!

Issues:
1. The other reason I didn't think the two Marschalls could be the same, besides the death dates, was that Samuel's son's name was also slightly different (Friedrich Wilhelm vs. Friedrich Albrecht) from the Marschall given in the newspapers, but these 18th century people had enough names that there's no reason these can't be the same Marschall.

2. But something that bothers me is that the Marschall von Bieberstein family is old Saxon nobility and Samuel Marschall the East Prussian was only ennobled in 1717. And there's no mention of Samuel on the von Bieberstein page nor vice versa. They really looked like two separate noble families.

3. And furthermore, I can't seem to make Catherine Rolas du Rosey be the half sister of Samuel Marschall's son, as they have no parents in common, but I've seen weirder things in genealogies, and at least there is an East Prussian connection. (This is reminding me that Kloosterhuis got Melusine's genealogy wrong, in the sense that I checked the exact source he cited and it said the opposite of what he said it said.)

[BTW, Selena, don't be surprised to see Kloosterhuis getting things wrong, I've caught him in 3 Peter Keith chronology mistakes, 1 Rottembourg chronology mistake, and 1 Melusine genealogy mistake, and that's just the things that my new-to-Prussian-history self has caught!]

Right, we have Berlin newspapers, I need to see if they ever picked up on the scandalous disappearance of the newly arrived legation counselor.

...

Okay, not that I'm seeing, but the print quality is so bad I could easily have missed it. It is neat to see the papers talking about many of the same people and events as Lehndorff, though.

What I can tell you from Google is that, at least according to modern historians, this runaway Marschall apparently fled all the way to Madrid and became a Catholic, whereupon Fritz forced his wife, who had remained in Berlin, to divorce him.

Also, point the fourth that's bothering me now: if Marschall's married and childless, why is his fortune going to anyone other than his wife? Is that how it worked?

Okay, back to the diary. At this point, it's less the font that's responsible for my slow progress of a couple pages per day and more the deep desire of my soul to be a royal detective and not a royal reader. ;)

April 6: Lehndorff attends a wonderful dinner with friends and good conversation that he says is the kind of event that *is* to his taste (unlike the kind he sneaks off from). "Had heaven not destroyed my hopes, I would have such dinners at my place."

Ooh, it's April 8th and he has a new source of grief. I don't know what it is yet, but "the advantage of big problems is that they make you insensible to the everyday little problems."

Okay, Lehndorff, you've built up the suspense. What is your new grief?

...Okay, long philosophical digression on that topic first.

Nope, a long philosophical digression on suffering is all we get. Volume 1? Nope, nothing. Onward we go.

Oh, lol, he hasn't seen Heinrich for two days--THE INHUMANITY--and now he has to swallow him up with his eyes. Oh no, and now Heinrich is saying hard words to him! Like, "It's only been two days, stop suffocating me"? We don't find out. But "O, cruel world! How I would like to escape you," says Lehndorff, who goes home full of despair.

Next day, Lehndorff gets a letter that makes him feel better, because Heinrich says he was actually mad at someone *else* and was just taking it out on Lehndorff. Immediately Lehndorff forgets everything that's been bothering him, since it has to do with this heavenly man, and does not leave Heinrich the whole day.

Good lord.

Day 16, Lehndorff loves Heinrich really unspeakably, and his low spirits and sadness are boundless. He's afraid the happy time of his life is over.

Ooh. "My beloved is sad. There are moments when I gladly see him that way; then all his beautiful characteristics come to the fore."

Back a couple days earlier in volume 1, a Frau von Mengden arrives. She's the sister of Julia Mengden, the lady-in-waiting who was in the threesome with Russian regent Anna Leopoldovna and Lynar the Sexy Saxon Envoy (whom Julia married) before Elizaveta staged a coup and put Anna in prison with EC's brother and their kids, including baby Ivan VI. Julia is in prison and will remain so until Catherine the Great comes to power.

Lol, April 15, in volume 1 (because it mentions Fritz): Lehndorff has to go to Potsdam, a trip he would make only reluctantly, "if I weren't going to find my dear prince Heinrich there." Fritz arrives, which causes terrible disagreements in the royal family; the reason is that Fritz is in a bad mood over Voltaire. (Voltaire left Prussia March 26.)

Maupertuis challenges Voltaire to a duel. Voltaire replies in a letter that makes everyone laugh and is even more biting than the Akakia.

Meh, it's not in the wiki collection of Voltaire's correspondence. But there is a letter from Freytag on April 21, directed to Fritz and saying that he's keeping an eye out for Voltaire, as per Fritz's (hm, not Fredersdorf's?) handwritten letter of April 11.

Oh, yeah. Fritz is in a bad mood.

April 25: "It is said that Prince Maximilian of Hesse died."

Mildred: Did he really, though? Or did he just fake his death to escape his creditors? I am suspicious of all reported deaths now. :P

Huh. Lehndorff trash talks a young Bredow, saying he's ugly and plays the Don Juan, and is in every respect an unpleasant mortal. Schmidt's note: "In the margin: Fifty years later he was my friend."

It is really cool to get these occasional perspectives with the benefit of hindsight.

Okay, that's all for now. Stay tuned for the next episode!
Edited Date: 2022-07-14 11:19 am (UTC)

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-14 03:56 pm (UTC)
selenak: (CourtierLehndorff)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Detective Mildred, I think you're building the wrong case. Because Old Lehndorff, who ought to know whether his Marschall von B. died or did a runner, still says he died 4 decades later. Therefore, and because if he's a cousin of Lehndorff and du Rosey, he's old nobility, I say the son of Samuel Marschall can't be identical with Marschall von Bieberstein.

Okay, Lehndorff, you've built up the suspense. What is your new grief?

At a guess, it's the dawning realisation that he and Heinrich will never be exclusive, Heinrich won't be monogamous, and not only that, but while he's Heinrich's friend, he's not even his Big Favourite/Best Friend. In short, that Heinrich doesn't and won't feel for him what Lehndorff feels for Heinrich. Now if Heinrich had simply rejected him, that realisation might have come sooner, but Heinrich being on board with friends with benefits with a nature such as Lehndorff's was bound to awaken unrealistic hopes.

(Also, I wouldn't be surprised if his unevenness of their respective emotions became blindingly obvious to Heinrich at this point, what with Lehndorff's adoration radiating to the skies, and if he didn't deliberately try some distance now and then to signal "so far and not further, I like you, especially in this rotten first year of my unwanted marriage, sex now and then is fine, but my Chevalier de Lorraine, you're not".)

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-14 05:02 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
By Jove, you're right! That does make more sense of the genealogy. But the only conclusion that I can draw is that Lehndorff's life does not adhere to Occam's Razor.

TWO cousins he's supposed to get a fortune from in the early 1750s but the fortune goes to a cousin of Hans Hermann instead.

TWO legation counselors from East Prussia named Friedrich von Marschall, one of whom dies in March 1753 and the other "dies" in March/April 1753.

At a guess, it's the dawning realisation that he and Heinrich will never be exclusive

*nod* That does make sense. Oh, Lehndorff.

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-14 06:58 pm (UTC)
selenak: (Holmes and Watson by Emme86)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Okay, now that I'm browsing through volume 2 as well, let me point out the start of the October 1752 entry which says:

"During the entire month, speculation abouts regarding the whereabouts of Herr v. Marschall, who last year married the young Countess Podewils. He asks for permission to move to Heidelberg where he's a Dean, and from there he leaves to nobody knows where. People assume he's gone to France. He was a big cad. His wife comforts herself easily, since she didn't love him at all. Gossip hounds name Prince Ludwig as her adorer - very much wrongly so. Her hsuband leaves 30 000 Taler debts, in addition to the 15 000 which his mother gave him on the occasion of his marriage."


That's clearly Marschall the son of Samuel Marschall and NOT the same Marschall who is "my cousin" etc., not to mention that the entry where Lehndorff talks about his lost hope for the inheritance is January 26th 1753, i.e. months after Marschall the runner has already left the country!
Edited Date: 2022-07-14 06:59 pm (UTC)

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-16 07:53 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Excellent detective work!

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-16 02:40 pm (UTC)
selenak: (DadLehndorff)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Ugh, unrequited love is hard.

Marcus Cole & Lennier: You're telling us!

Re: Lehndorff

Date: 2022-07-16 02:54 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
On the other hand, it's still aww-inducing and hilarious to read about at a remove of hundreds of years hence

It is!

ahahaha hmm if it's not in his correspondence, where is it??

Besterman, maybe? Or not extant. The wiki collection is a public domain work from 1880, and it's far from complete. As the editor himself says in the preface (Google-translated):

This is not, of course, to announce something definitive. We know only too well that an enormous quantity of letters still remains to be exhumed from public or private archives. Voltaire said to Formont, on July 24, 1734: “I will not go any further, because here, my dear friend, is the thirtieth letter that I am writing today. And of these thirty letters we only know two! “One will find, says M. Henri Beaune, letters from Voltaire up to the Last Judgment.” The expression is not Voltairian, but it is significant.

Many notable collections have escaped us; many bearers have not responded to our call, at least until today. But it is not possible in such a matter to claim ever to be complete.


ETA: In general, it's best, with any collection of published correspondence, to start from the assumption that it isn't complete, and then revise that assumption only if there's evidence that it is.
Edited Date: 2022-07-16 02:56 pm (UTC)

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