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I have now read the Hugo novel nominees, where by "read" I mean "DNF'd two of them" -- Ministry of Time, Service Model, Alien Clay, Tainted Cup, Someone You Can Build a Nest In (I read in this order).

In the reverse order of how much I liked them:

The Tainted Cup (Bennett) - 4/5 - this book is set in an Empire continually threatened by giant leviathans every year, and in which they have discovered how to do all kinds of biological manipulations. Dinios "Din" Kol is an engraver, a person who has been biologically modified to have a perfect memory; he works for the brilliant investigator Anagosa "Ana" Dolabra, who has her own set of personal idiosyncracies. As the book starts, Din is investigating a murder, but the murder rapidly expands to involve a larger set of deaths and a larger set of power structures within the Empire.

[personal profile] ase pointed out that of all the nominees this is in some ways the most traditional-Hugo one (concentrating heavily on worldbuilding and plot) and yeah, I am That Traditional Hugo Voter. I loved this book, which first of all had a great premise, but also I felt had a precision and detail that I really enjoy in both the worldbuilding and the murder mystery. All the clues were right there (some were more obvious than others), and I even picked up a few of them, although not enough of them that I really had any idea what was going on (I would have had to pay a lot better attention, for one thing). The worldbuilding is really detailed and interesting to me, and the mystery is one that is centered right in the worldbuilding in a lot of different ways, which I find really cool.

I also have as a long-standing complaint about media in general that whenever there's an unequal partnership, the person in the position of intellectual power, the chess-player who is the mover and placer of the pawn(s) on the boards, is always a man -- though the other person in the partnership may be a woman. And I was charmed to see that reversed here, with Ana being the mover and placer.

I could imagine someone not loving this book because Ana and Din do work within the structures of an Empire that is pretty clearly extremely imperfect and rife with corruption, even if Ana does give a rousing speech about how her duty is to try to root out the corruption. I do think that some of how I feel about it will depend on further books in the series and how they deal with that. But either way, I very much appreciated the complexity of how many if not all the characters turn out to be various shades of gray; the "good" characters are still working in a corrupted system, and at the same time, one can usually understand why the "bad" characters do the bad things that they do, often as reactions to that same system.


Major spoilers
I also kind of loved that the solution to the mystery turned on bureaucracy and also on a giant money-making scheme. That's so... plausible.

I loved this one enough that I'm immediately picking up the next one at the library. Which other Bennetts should I read? I started City of Stairs but never got very far -- but maybe I should have forged onward a bit more?

The Ministry of Time (Bradley) - 3+/5 - In which various people are brought through time to a near-future Britain and are acclimatized to modern life by living with a government-admin "bridge" -- most particularly Graham Gore, a nineteenth-century Arctic explorer, and his bridge, the unnamed narrator, who is a woman with a British father and Cambodian mother. Meanwhile, there are attacks that appear to be related to the time traveling...

I was confused while reading this book for a long time. The author seemed to have a pretty clear idea on how Gore's mind would have worked, historically speaking, which meant I had no idea why anything was set up the way it was -- why is Gore's bridge a mixed-race woman, why are they living alone together in a house, none of this makes sense -- until the romance started, and then I finished the book and read the afterwards, and ohhhhh, okay, it started life as a fanfic, and all of that was basically the setup to get the ship together, yeah, I get it now, I have written that fic too where the justification for throwing the ship together made, uh, minimal sense. (To be fair, there are some plot-relevant justifications for the setup of the Ministry that only get revealed near the end, and I thought that part was neat.)

All this being said, if one accepts the implausible setup, everything else that followed was interesting, and I did find the book compelling enough that I was eager to read it all the way through. I definitely liked it more than the average Hugo finalist this time out!

Service Model (Tchaikovsky) - 3/5 - A robot butler puts himself out of work and goes on a road trip, occasionally accompanied, to try to find humans to give him more work. It was fine and quite readable (Charles, as the robot butler starts out being called, is a reasonably engaging POV), although I felt like it could probably have been wrapped up in a novella or even novelette -- I felt like the road trip went on and on without adding very much value, and then suddenly all the plot (which I enjoyed!) happened in like the last five percent. One of those angry books about how terrible modern society and human beings are. It's not that I disagree, it's just that it is a bit wearisome to read a whole book about it.

Someone You Can Build a Nest In (Wiswell) - DNF - a tale told from the POV of the monster Shesheshen, who likes to eat humans. This wasn't a bad book, it would probably have gotten at least a 3/5 if I'd finished it, but I made the mistake of not tackling it until after having read The Tainted Cup. Nest just doesn't have that kind of complexity at all, by which I mostly mean the characters. (I also don't think the worldbuilding and plot is nearly as complex and interesting either, but I didn't read far enough for those things to bother me as much.) In Nest, there are definitely Bad characters whose only function is to be so over-the-top obnoxious that we cheer when Shesheshen eats them. I also was annoyed by the character-worldbuilding in which Shesheshen knows just enough about humans to be able to be all self-righteous about how annoying and hypocritical humans are. (Monsters, as far as I can tell, are totally great. Like, they eat their parent and siblings and all, but that's cool, that's just the way they are.) Idk, maybe I was brought up on too much Tiptree, I would have liked her to be a little more, well, alien than to be able to discourse on humans being hypocritical (which to my mind presupposes a reasonably sophisticated understanding of human behavior). But yeah, I should have read it around the same time as Service Model, I would have been able to finish it then.

Alien Clay (Tchaikovsky) - DNF - I can't even make it through the first chapter, I am not sure why. There's something about the narrative voice that I just really am having a hard time getting past.

Hugo novels: Tainted Cup > Sorceress > Ministry of Time > Service Model > Nest > Alien Clay
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4+/5. Cut for length and at least one random aside; no spoilers. )

Not sure about that one minor spoilery thing. )

Anyway... [personal profile] hidden_variable and K, I spent this entire book thinking, you should absolutely and positively read this book!! (And many of the rest of you should too -- [personal profile] crystalpyramid, I think this is also directly relevant to your interests -- though I also don't think everyone who liked SDG will like it.)
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Three people recced this to me after I posted about My Real Children, and the library had it, and then I was dragging my feet posting about it but then [personal profile] hidden_variable posted comparing My Real Children and Life After Life (post has spoilers for MRC, no spoilers for LAL) so, uh, here we are.

The idea of this book is that Ursula lives her life over and over again -- though she seems to learn a bit each time. She dies as a baby, strangled by the cord wrapped around her neck. Then she starts over, and this time (how?) the doctor comes and cuts the cord, but then she drowns as a small child. Then she starts over, and falls off the roof. And so on. Ursula doesn't remember anything exactly from iteration to iteration, but she does carry with her some kind of emotional response to her previous lives, so for example the next life after falling off the roof, she decides that going on the roof is a Very Bad idea.

I found the book fascinating as well as often rather hard to read (emotionally speaking). At some point I started flipping forward to find the next time that Ursula died so that I would know what I was signing up for in this iteration. (The life iterations do start getting longer once Ursula hits adolescence -- I guess there are more ways for small kids to die than there are ways for adults to die, although Ursula does manage to find a few.) The influenza section was particularly hard to read, because I guess it was just very likely for her to die from that, so there were a lot of lives, over and over again, where she would die from influenza, and often her siblings would too, and it just sucked a lot.

I thought about this book a lot after finishing it. I didn't get it on first reading, which frustrated me. (I'm still not sure that I get it, but at least I have thoughts on what's going on.)

Spoilers. )

Anyway -- well -- I will say that this is a hard book to read if you have any sensitivities around child death (I don't particularly, and I still found it hard to read in that respect!) but I liked it and it definitely made me think!
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4/5. When [personal profile] ase found out I was writing about multiple universes for Yuletide, she asked if I'd read this. I had not, though I knew vaguely that it was about dual universes. I got it out from the library, not super planning to read it right away, and immediately fell head-first into it. I can't really even tell you why it was so compelling -- the first chapter is from the point of view of a woman, Patricia, who has worsening dementia in the year 2015, which I feel like shouldn't be compelling me to read it! And yet it was immensely compelling and I couldn't stop. I think that some other of Walton's books that I've read -- looking at you, The Just City and Lent -- have this aura of "idea-book" to me, where Walton is cheerfully working out a specific idea -- and don't get me wrong! I love those! But sometimes they can feel to me like they are all about the idea, whereas this one felt very real and moving and grounded to me, and because of that I think is my favorite Walton I've read.

The book traces her journey from a kid (born in 1926) to the point (as a young woman) where she makes a choice, whether or not to marry Mark, a rather disagreeable young man whom she nevertheless thinks she's in love with. The universe in which she does marry him and the universe in which she does not splits herself into two, and then follows the two versions of herself through their lives in alternating chapters. (They helpfully call themselves Pat and Trish -- I was amused that I independently had come up with the same necessity for having different names in the two timelines.)

I guess mild spoilers? )

I found all of this fascinating and emotional and sometimes heartbreaking, both the personal stories (and not just the differences between their lives, but the quite different people that Pat and Trish become) and the slowly accelerating changes in both universes, although to be honest I flagged a little near the end of the book where I had some trouble keeping all the children and grandchildren straight. But maybe that was thematic, because that's the point at which Pat and Trish both start getting dementia. (Not a spoiler, as we know this from the first chapter.)

spoilers )
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There's this Esquire 75 best SF books of all time meme going around (I think [personal profile] thistleingrey first posted about it on DW in meme-form here) and the Esquire list annoyed me so very much (it leaves off all kinds of interesting books that I love) that instead of doing the meme I made my own list :P I used Jo Walton's Informal History of the Hugos (which is even better than I remember, btw) as a major source for finding books to put on my list. The list also has turned into more of a "SF books that had a nontrivial impact on me" rather than "best SF books" but eh.

I do agree with some of the books )

omg, we could fight about this list, it's clearly a list tailored to me personally and I'm sure everyone reading this will quibble about things that I've put on or left off (and please do) -- I noticed, for one thing, that apparently I read no SF published from around 2000-2010, except for Bujold -- but maybe the idiosyncrasy will make it more interesting :P
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Doc put a new splint on so let's experiment with posting (and maybe even commenting?) a bit. Will still not be posting/commenting as usual for at least the next month, but Hugo deadline is tomorrow, so... here are my novel/novella picks in order.

Novel:
-Some Desperate Glory (but you all knew that)
-Saint of Bright Doors (I had issues with it but it was doing interesting things, which I value for Hugo voting)
-Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi
-Translation State
-Witch King (did not manage to finish)
-Starter Villain (did not manage to start, but I'm sure it's fine)

Novella:
-Mammoths at the Gates (which I loved, and which moved me the most, after not particularly gelling with the other Singing Hills novellas after the first)
-Seeds of Mercury (I'm inclined to rate the Chinese nominees higher, and I thought this one was interesting)
-Rose/House (intriguing)
-Mimicking of Known Successes (*)
-Thornhedge (enjoyed)
-Life Does Not Allow Us to Meet (I kind of feel like I could have summed this up in 3 sentences and saved myself the trouble of reading it)

(*) I thought it was fine in general, but I discovered while reading it that while I really like having spectrum-coded characters as the POV character, I intensely dislike having that character as the love interest (or at least did in this case) because I can see how annoying one can be and I do not like feeling seen like that! :)
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The Saint of Bright Doors (Vajra Chandrasekera)

Fetter, raised as a child to kill his father, escapes his rural cult upbringing to live in the big city... but his past haunts him in more ways than one.

...I feel like that is a terrible way of describing this book. Perhaps if I say: it has the sensibility to me of a magical realism book, set in a world that has a lot in common with ours (email! committees!) but is not quite ours (devils, the mysterious bright doors of the title), or perhaps is not yet ours -- is that any better a description? Maybe not. Anyway, I thought it was trying to play with some interesting ideas and themes and I like seeing that kind of thing in the Hugos. On the other hand, I kept putting it down and not feeling any kind of impetus whatsoever to pick it up again. I felt rather as if there were short bursts of Important Plot Things Being Revealed interspersed with long passages where maybe something happened but it was not compelling or entirely comprehensible (sometimes because it was waiting for the next flash of lightning of Plot Things Being Revealed). Even something like 85% through (at which point you usually don't get any sense out of me until I finish the entire book), I ignored it for an entire day and on seeing my Kindle the next day was like, "oh, right, I haven't finished that book yet." Which I feel speaks to some fundamental problem with being able to sustain being compelling, or at least being compelling to me (it could well be a me problem).

The Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi (Shannon Chakraborty)

The title is basically what it's about, the adventures of the formerly-ex-pirate Amina al-Sirafi. She is hired/blackmailed into looking for her ex-crew-member's daughter, who studies the occult and may be mixed up in helping a Frank [European] get access to a powerful magical artifact. She starts gathering her old crew to help her in her quest, and they all start having adventures...

I liked it, it was easy to read, and I totally appreciated that the main character was a middle-aged mom (and most of the supporting characters were middle-aged as well, for that matter). I also appreciated its taking place in the Muslim world, and occasionally had a rather embarrassing epiphany, like realizing that I'd actually never really thought about the Crusades from the Muslim viewpoint. I don't think this was meant to be a super profound book and I think that's OK; sometimes you want a rollicking adventure that makes you think differently about some things, and this fit that well.
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Okay, so, I didn't even try to write anything coherent about this book. Instead I had the idea to take quasi-real-time notes. I wasn't aware of this at the time, but of course it's somewhat thematic that I took notes during the actual events instead of writing it up afterwards as I did the other books... and also thematic that I was taking these notes because I was envisioning a dialogue with you, dear readers, but could not have that dialogue until I had finished the book (since the only other person I know who was reading this semi-concurrently, [personal profile] hidden_variable, had already finished reading it). (Also thematic that I often had to go back and revisit/edit my notes :P ) Notes: )

I'm very impressed by this whole series -- I really can't remember the last time I read a series that both was so thoughtful in its worldbuilding and so complete in the way it worked things out. With all these notes, I think it's less than half of the things I would have liked to say/talk about (if I'd really been taking real and constant live notes), there was so much! (I never even said anything about Carlyle, love them!)

I find it a series I find more impressive than lovable. I don't think that's an insult in any way, mind you: it's clearly setting out to do things in a way that is meant to engage me cerebrally rather than aiming directly at my tropes, for example. But wow there's a lot there and a lot to think about and I'm glad I read them.
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In the Imperial Radch universe, Enae's life gets upturned from sie's previous circumscribed existence as sie is given the task to track down someone who has been missing for a couple of hundred years; at the same time, Reet struggles with never fitting in, and Qven grows up in a milieu that is alien to a human POV.

So for some reason, the only part of this I knew before starting was a little bit of Enae's opening dilemma. It was a much more complex and fascinating book than my priors made it sound! Which I should expect from Leckie; I love about her work that it always has a whole lot of threads running through it.

It's the sort of book where there are so many things I could talk about, but it turns out that I really only want to talk about a couple of things enough to type it out:

a) I really really like alien books from the POV of the alien, which probably says something about me, but anyway, I really like the idea that things look very different from the alien's POV and that they might have very different motivations and imperatives than a human in many ways. (This is something I loved about the Ancillary books.) This book kind of did that superficially -- Qven's upbringing is certainly very, very different than a human's and I enjoyed reading that (unsurprisingly, I especially enjoyed reading Qven's viewpoints about human scripts) -- but as the book goes on, I feel like it becomes clear that e's upbringing is just flat abusive and there's just nothing good or acceptable about it, which makes it much less interesting to me.

b) There is one character in the book that was absolutely my favorite -- who does try to do the right thing to the extent they are capable of, for no other reason than that they feel it's the right thing, as they are likely to not have gotten any reward or happy ending from it. I am speaking, of course, of Spoilers. )

I'm really glad this was Hugo homework, because like everything I've read by Leckie it was very worth reading. I still prefer Some Desperate Glory for the Hugo because it played to all my tropes, engaged even more with questions that really interest me, and blew my mind in ways that TS didn't, but TS would be a worthy Hugo winner, and I could totally see others preferring it to SDG.
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So I read The Will to Battle, the third Terra Ignota book, on the way to and from IL on this last trip. I continue to be more and more impressed with these books as they go on -- I think they may be an acquired taste to a certain extent, and also it was hard to appreciate what Palmer is trying to do in the depth of, say, only one book (which is really itself only half a book). That being said, there was a part in the middle where I had the thought that I really wanted to read this and knew I would like it, but at the same time I also rather wished I had already read it and was looking back at all the things I'd found out. (I don't remember ever thinking this about a book before.) By the time I was at the end, I had forgotten all those thoughts -- there was certainly a lot of action at the end.

Interestingly, I don't think I liked many characters in this book, but I didn't even think about that until the end -- I think Mycroft has grown on me a lot (as I was told might happen!) which helped a lot, but more importantly this is the kind of book where the worldbuilding (which I did like a lot!) is basically the most important character.

Various random and spoilery thoughts:Read more... )

More random thinking about Hives: Gordian continues to be the Hive I feel I have the most natural affinity for, by far (it was also the one I ended up with when I took the Hive quiz after reading book 2). Faust was my fave in this book (the bit where they tell Carlyle to look at 48 pictures of subjects eating bananas made me laugh out loud), and I think I'd get along better with them than with most people in this book (while other people I know, like my sister, would find them entirely irritating). Utopia continues to be the Hive I'm most intrigued by (and, like, I sort of wish I were the kind of person that could sacrifice complacency, but I'm definitely not) and I still want to know what their deal is! (I'll be reading the fourth book soon...) It also occurred to me that if I had to sort my actual real-life self, I would probably be in the Cousins Hive, not least (though not wholly) because my church is... in very many ways basically a big ol' Cousins Hive, and it's the biggest RL source of community and (voluntary non-work) responsibility that I have.

I've got the fourth book on hold from the library and probably will dive right into it as soon as it gets here!
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[personal profile] rachelmanija and I have a whole system now when a new Catriona book comes out: we are extremely excited and promise that we'll read it together ASAP, and then inevitably one of us is busy and the other one is busy and then Yuletide happens and then someone else has checked it out of the library and... BUT the stars finally aligned and we read it together during chat! (Actually kind of a while ago, but I'm really behind in book writeups.)

This is a kind of amazing book. First of all, a novel's worth of twists and turns is crammed into the first third of the book! (Which is largely its own self-contained novella, though it of course also sets up the rest of the book.) Honestly, the first third would have been a perfectly good story all by itself for any other author, but then the rest of it is -- well, both rachel and I kept chatting each other with connections we'd noticed and of course we were trying to figure out what was going on the whole time, and as the book went on we started chatting things like, "This is BONKERS!" and "WTF is all this?!" And a few pages left to go I was still like, "...how is she going to make everything work?" And then we got to the end and started teasing apart the strands of, wait a second, that means this, and this makes sense of that part... it was a wild ride!

I don't know that this is my favorite Ward -- I think Little Eve is still my favorite because I loved Eve and Christopher Black and how they related to each other so much, whereas I didn't feel nearly as strongly about these characters or their relations with each other (and in fact almost all of the characters are rather unlikeable -- one of them ends up being likeable, actually, but because of the way the book is structured it sort of becomes clear very late in the game). But I think it is the Ward book that I am most impressed by, because pulling that whole thing off really just clearly took so much skill.


Spoilers: discussing the end
The implications of the very end are so fascinating. How does it work for them to be in the book? How does Wilder communicate via typewriter?? The communication clearly implies he has some sort of independent agency; he's not just a character, once he's in the book. Also, I felt so bad for Wilder: he was much nicer than Sky(e) thought he was, and I like to think that in the AU where he'd actually had his future (in the outside world) that it would have turned out much better than Skye had imagined. (And what happens if Pearl writes a book with that AU?)


Also, there is a completely gratuitous severed finger in this book, and I am convinced she put it in specifically for our bingo board :PP (Oh, I suppose I should do content notes. Umm, there's a serial murder/murderer involved, and some non-explicit descriptions of same, and a very creepy doll made out of hair. Also at least one death occurring on stage. I don't think there was actually much animal harm in this book, surprisingly!)
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A. really likes me to read books that he enjoyed, and will keep gently pushing until I do (including adorably setting up a little reading nook for me with a pillow and book holder), so along with many Diary of a Wimpy Kid books, I have now read the first Keeper of the Lost Cities books (and am maybe a quarter of the way through the second one).

I first became aware of these books maybe five years ago, when D's niece told me how much she loved them (which then led to a rather distressing conversation with D's sister in which she said she didn't see the point of fantasy -- I need hardly say that D does not share this sentiment -- and in which she was probably not expecting my passionate defense of fantasy; to be fair to her, she has not objected to my giving her daughters fantasy books for Christmas almost every year since then). I read the first chapter and could see the appeal. Sophie, the main/POV character, is a 12-year-old blonde genius with a photographic memory who can read minds; she has never quite fit in with either her family or her world. In that first chapter, she meets a mysterious and strangely attractive boy who reveals to her that she is not human, but an elf!!

Yes, it is basically every wish-fulfillment and Special Snowflake trope you could hope for, all rolled into one; I can see why it has such appeal for the middle-school age group (which this is solidly aimed towards). I stopped reading there. When E was in sixth grade these books swept over her class like wildfire, and even E. who is impervious to her peers tried them out and liked them; however, because E. does not care at all whether I read the books she likes or not, I didn't read more until A. wanted me to.

In subsequent chapters, Sophie is taken to live in the elven cities (it's not entirely clear to me or to my kids where these cities are... one of them is Atlantis but others seem to be sort of... on Earth but I guess hidden really really well or in a pocket dimension or something??) which feature the beautiful, super-intelligent, magical elves who all wear fancy clothes all the time, eat super delicious food all the time, and also where there are dinosaurs and other such exciting creatures. Sophie, of course, is Super Special even within elven society; her telepathy is so strong they've never seen the like before. I think my favorite part is the bit where Sophie has brown eyes, but it turns out that this is exotic in elven society, where everyone has blue eyes. (I note that the author appears to have brown eyes.) Anyway, she then goes to elven school ("Foxfire") where she takes classes, attempts to catch up to many years of living with humans instead of other elves, and makes friends with the other elven students, all while trying to figure out her mysterious backstory that other adult characters will allude to without actually telling her things except when she manages to figure out enough stuff to confront them.

(If this is giving you super Harry Potter vibes, well... yeah, I was getting those too.)

Elven society appears to be extremely classist. There are "nobles": whether you are noble seems to hinge on a) whether you can get into Foxfire, the school that trains nobles; b) whether you have a Special Ability (not all elves do; Sophie, of course, turns out later to have more than one); c) whether you can pass all your Foxfire classes. If you aren't noble, you have significantly less status, you can't be in the government and such, and other noble elves will be mean to you about it. Also, if your parents are a "bad match" (it has not yet been explained what that means), that also lowers your status dramatically. So maybe eugenics in there too? I don't know whether this will be followed up on or whether we're supposed to conclude from the fancy clothes and delicious food that everything is A-OK with the way the society is structured, though I suspect the latter. (There are certainly hints, and eventually more than hints, that the society is not entirely stable, although I don't think the instability has to do with the rampant classicism. Maybe I will be proved wrong in subsequent books, though.)

The target audience is definitely middle school, and an adult might, er, have other opinions (about elven society, say; or the parallels to HP) than the ones a middle schooler might have. But I will say that Messenger does write compellingly, and it wasn't nearly as much as a slog as I was fearing. Which is good because there are, like, 9 of these (so far), and I think A. wants me to read them all.
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4/5. Okay, let's get back to books. I've had very mixed luck with Monette/Addison, but I loved this. Apparently what I really wanted her to write was a series of linked short stories about a long-suffering, gloomy, extremely introverted and shy museum curator who occasionally encounters eldritch horrors, with a strain of homoeroticism that is sometimes very heavily subtextual and sometimes just plain textual??

Also, poor Kyle Murchison Booth cannot catch a break (well, except for that one guy Ratcliffe who is actually nice to him), partially because his early life was legit horrible (as you might expect of a Lovecraftian Henry Jamesian narrator) and partially because he basically always puts the most negative spin possible on everything (again... as you might expect). I think... I just want a fix-it now where there are just tiny slivers of hope for him! (Okay, I want a particular fix-it where he realizes his mom actually did love him and her mental health issues were not a reflection of her lack of love for him, omg. The stories are set in an era where it makes sense that he would come to the conclusions he does, but, argh!)

There is apparently also another very-hard-to-find collection of Booth stories which [personal profile] rushthatspeaks talks about here. I have no access to this, but I was able to find links to three out of four of the stories, and the fourth one is in another collection:
The Yellow Dressing-Gown
The Replacement
White Charles
The World Without Sleep -- in the anthology Somewhere Beneath Those Waves, which I have not read yet.

The three additional stories that I have read I also liked!

I read this so that I could read [personal profile] cenozoicsynapsid's Yuletide fic, an epistolary murder mystery starring Booth's co-worker Claudia Coburn, which is obviously extremely relevant to my interests, and of course the story is wonderful!
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I have read Seven Surrenders!

I am glad that [personal profile] hamsterwoman mentioned in her Terra Ignota post that SS was really meant as the second half of Too Like the Lightning, because it really was. It's like TLtL carefully set up a lot of dominos, and SS... knocks them all down. It's pretty amazing to watch (well, read) and I'm glad I read it even though I suffered a lot from not reading the first one carefully enough (though I think if I'd read it as carefully as I needed to in order to catch everything, I'd never have finished, so it's just as well). Very curious as to what I'll think on a reread; this seems like the kind of series that well rewards rereads.

I don't have much really to say about it as a whole except "whoa, that ALL HAPPENED" but I have a few random thoughts:
-I feel like the prose is smoother and less, idk, irritating than I found the first book. Some of the mannerisms that annoyed me in the first book are toned down a lot in this one, like, Mycroft spends significantly less time explaining random Enlightenment stuff and praising Voltaire, and there are fewer times where he feels that, for example, he needs to have a literal conversation with the reader from his future. (Also, Émilie du Châtelet is namechecked in the acknowledgements, nice!)

-There was one point where Cornel MASON is speaking where I said to myself, "Palmer has read John M. Ford!" Now, I know she's friends with Jo Walton, and Walton has read JMF, so I'm not saying this in a vacuum either... but... yeah, I'd be shocked if she hadn't.

-After this book Utopia has now become my favorite problematic Hive, in the sense that I don't want to be a Utopian at all (it sounds completely exhausting!) but I am so intrigued by everything they do: their particular mode of surrender when confronted with the events of SS, their planning 150 years in the future (like... seriously?? modeling is clearly MUCH better in the future, lol!), their constant visor tagging of "how things could be better"... I would super like to know what's up with them. (The title of the fourth book makes me believe that we will find out more...)

Spoilers:
-BRIDGER! Gosh, poor kid. (I think I cared about him more than anyone else, as the only character who a) wasn't complicit in about five different plots at once and b) wasn't literally a god, even if he had godlike powers.) He even kind of says that he's fulfilled his element of the plot and now he's gonna off himself :(
(Mycroft, Bridger is not the protagonist as you said in TLtL, much as you would have liked him to be. He is the plot device :P Unless there's more about him later I don't know about :PP I mean, I guess we've had one resurrection already, why not two?)

There were two spoilery places where I was like, really?

-First: when Heloise talks about how they are super missing something in their society by not recognizing the old cultural constructions of gender, like the part where women are nurturing and men are manly, and they need to have a conversation about that. She says "Back when half the race identified as feminine it meant that half the race was devoted in some way to nurturing, peace, and charity, and we never developed a substitute for that."

I've read this bit about ten times now, trying to articulate what I disagree with, and after about my tenth read I guess... I don't disagree with most of what Heloise says. (For what it's worth, it seems pretty clear to me that Palmer meant to present this in an intentionally shocking way that would inspire disagreement -- because I also think it's the process of having the argument that Palmer is interested in.) I can see a lot of her points: maybe in a genderless world you don't have a world where half of everyone is devoted to nurturing, peace, and charity (and I do get her point that culturally that's sort of the effect of gender, and I can definitely see that if you got rid of gender all at once that the default might tend to be sort of a leaning-masculine sort of persona and not a leaning-feminine one), and maybe that's a problem, and maybe you DO need something to bolster that.

I think my point of remaining disagreement is that Heloise says things like "...the words are taboo so no one dares admit [the Cousins are "feminine"], and it feels like the Hive is weak and teetering. Of course it's teetering! The Masons would teeter if we banned the word 'Empire' and Gordian if we banned the word 'psyche'." I... don't really think this is how people and language work? People would come up with new words for the same concept. :P

Also, I feel like this ties into my wondering about the educational system and raising kids. Idk, I think either you have enough people who are "nurturing" that you are able to raise and educate the next generation, and then they also have role models who (one hopes??) teach them to be nurturing... or you don't? how does this society propagate itself at all if no one is nurturing enough to actually raise kids??

Heloise says, "Think of the Set-Set riots. How many fewer people might have died if the Cousins had felt free to say overtly why they were really upset? That their motherly feelings judged it inhumane to do such things to children. Without that vocabulary, the real cause of the conflict couldn't even be discussed!" I... do not agree with this AT ALL. First, any parent might think it inhumane to do Thing X to children. Also, there's another issue in there about "sanctity" of humanity and what we might think is humane vs inhumane that I think overlaps with this but which should be disentangled a bit, and which I think belongs more on the axis of conservative-liberal, if anything, than male-female.

Anyway, kudos to Palmer for making me so annoyed that I had to reread Heloise's speech several times to articulate the things I actually did disagree with, versus the things I thought Heloise was saying but that she actually isn't (for example, she never said that she thinks gender is necessary or that she thinks there aren't other ways of structuring society without it, but my first draft of this post assumed she did).

-Second: Madame being all "so, I did the amazing educational thing of raising a child with all philosophies/languages/beliefs at once and it produced Enlightened Man, which turned out to be a god." (Paraphrased, of course.) It's really unclear whether the narrative a) expects you to take this at face value b) expects you to believe that Madame's education made it possible for the god to appear in J.E.D.D. Mason, or c) is just something Madame is saying that is her belief but is actually not even kind of relevant to the god appearing and that we're not supposed to take at all seriously. I think (b). (I would prefer to think (c) but in that case I don't see any Doylistic reason why she's saying it to begin with.) In any case, this is the kind of thing where I honestly think Madame is deluded.

Because a) everything you teach is a choice. I don't care if you are being so very careful about giving all philosophies equal time or whatever, by teaching anything you are making choices about what you present and how you present it, that is just the way of things b) anyone, anywhere, who has ever been around kids KNOWS that kids literally have minds of their own and no matter how you construct their education, they are gonna come out with things that you didn't intend and that you didn't want to teach them (*) -- Madame thinks she's teaching disregard for social values by showing Jehovah "the people our world respects most, emperors and kings... fucking like animals," but honestly a kid is just as likely to get out of it something super unintended and possibly untrue, like "fucking is sacred" or, idk, "maybe only kings fuck, peasants reproduce via parthogenesis." Kids can come up with super weird things!
c) kids learn A LOT from other kids, and Madame said she could only do this once, so basically in order to run her experiment J.E.D.D. must have been isolated from any other children while he was growing up for this to work (because those children would have wrecked the experiment by being not steeped in this "all-philosophies" education). In fact, he must have been isolated from any other people who were not part of Madame's educational program. Which is NOT OKAY. Even Ferdinand of Parma was able to run away and have lower-class friends! Maybe the god was attracted to this poor kid because he was the loneliest kid in the world!

(*) All this makes me think of Ferdinand of Parma, or at least did once [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard reminded me what his name was, lol. To be fair childhood education has advanced a lot since then! Probably Madame did not beat her child! But... this is the kind of thing that can happen in real life in the Enlightenment Madame is so proud of, Diderot and all, when the kid doesn't end up thinking about things the way you want them to.


Anyway, I was satisfied by this one, and the question now is whether I will have to dive in to the next book (because I want to know what happens next!) or whether I will have to take a break first (because these books are also hard going!)
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I had tried this back in 2016 when it came out (having read Palmer's blog on occasion) and got twenty percent in before grinding to a halt. I knew that a lot of what I couldn't deal with was the narrator Mycroft's voice, and when [personal profile] hamsterwoman posted about her Terra Ignota Yuletide gift, I thought, hmm, you know, I've always intended to try this out again, and now that I have several years of salon (working on year 5!) and a LOT more reading of Enlightenment sources under my belt... Also, I was spoiled for what Mycroft Canner had done
that is, that he was a serial murderer, though I did not know details
which helped me not throw the book across the room when I got to that part :)

And I finished it this time! It did indeed make it rather easier that I now have a lot more experience with the Enlightenment and Enlightenment prose. (Also, I laughed when a salon showed up in the book, although sadly in this salon there was a lot less discussion of historical/literary/scientific ideas (there was a little) and a lot more sex.) I am also now much more used to reading primary documents without being the target audience and therefore not having the applicable context and only being given that later either by reading more or by [personal profile] selenak and [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard -- which is somewhat similar to the experience of reading this book, in that in-character-Mycroft is writing for an audience that is again Not Me but in the future. It's neat that Palmer is able to structure it that way.

I think it's an interesting book! I'm not going to talk about the gender stuff (it's interesting to see that eight years after publication it doesn't seem all that shocking or confusing, whereas I remember it being rather more so on first reading). The worldbuilding is interesting. I was definitely lost for most (maybe all) of the book. I was also warned that the book would end without tying up everything (though there's one very interesting revelation that does get made!) as it's really supposed to be half a book, which was good to know and I will follow up with the next half.

Ruminations on the concept of the bash', the ending, and Voltaire. No spoilers visible after clicking on this; ending spoilers under a separate details cut. )

Anyway, I very much enjoyed that the book made me think about things, I am definitely going to read the second book, and then we'll see whether I get more or less into the series!
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Or: Who is Miranda Sharifi?

Reread. Second book in the Sleepless trilogy, following Beggars in Spain. This is the last writeup I had for 2023 (there are a lot of books I never did write up, mind you).

[personal profile] seekingferret once said about Beggars in Spain that it was basically examining The Fountainhead in science-fictional terms, with Roger Camden [edit: not Leisha], the main character's father, as the Howard Roark analogue, and coming to its own conclusions. On rereading Beggars and Choosers, I had to laugh. It's a book about an America where everything is slowly breaking down and not working anymore. (Including a train!) As the breakdowns become worse, it highlights the divisions in society, how people are divided into basically three sets: a set who hedonistically enjoy life but don't actually do anything; a set who actually do all the work; and a set of geniuses that hide away from the world that is breaking down, not to be seen directly until late in the book... is this sounding familiar to anyone yet? Yep, Kress is very clearly patterning this entire book after Atlas Shrugged!

(Miranda Sharifi even gets a monologue at the end! Although it's not as long as John Galt's, by far.)

Of course, since this is Kress, she both has a deep compassion for all these sets of people and an SF-writer-worldbuilding eye to how all of this came about, so the set of geniuses are not just hiding away to be ornery, they're the genetically modified Sleepless and Supersleepless from the previous book who have a lot of history with prejudice against them, their own struggles with community, and in the Supers' case, a super-high intelligence that makes them all but incomprehensible to typical human beings and vice versa.

And both Kress and the Supers come to very different conclusions than Ayn Rand does. Although I suspect that one of Kress' other points is that everything is complicated and although one can say that Rand wasn't right when she simplified it in X direction, one cannot then say that simplifying it in not-X direction is right -- the ending (which is pretty great) makes sense as a happy ending, and yet it's also clear that it's a disturbing ending as well.

I remember not liking this much the first time I read it (in college or possibly early 20's), mostly because Leisha Camden, the protagonist of Beggars in Spain, is such a vibrant protagonist, and a) all these other random people who weren't in the first book showed up whom I was not interested in, and they were often even POV characters! and b) spoilery thing. Well, the spoilery thing wasn't a surprise this time, and also I enjoyed the random people a lot more knowing they were coming. Though on this read it was interesting to note that the POV characters are mostly there to watch the events unfold. There are mini-character arcs, of course, but it's very much subsidiary to figuring out what is going on and what the SuperSleepless (and their opponents) are doing.

I'm looking forward to reading Beggars Ride, which I remember absolutely hating for spoilery reasons. I suspect I'll still hate it (honestly I will be surprised if I can get over spoilery thing, it's like a heavy-handed deus ex machina in reverse), but I also suspect that I'll find it more interesting than I did on first reading.
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As usual I have a more conventional reveal post up, but mostly I am DYING to talk about Some Desperate Glory backstory in general and Corporal Lin in particular, especially with [personal profile] cenozoicsynapsid and [personal profile] hamsterwoman but everyone else too please!!

(My other post about it was here (massive spoilers) and of course feel free to comment there too... there is clearly a straight line from there to the fics to this post.)

I now have even more feelings about the book, Corporal Lin, and Avicenna too, than I had before. If you are interested in reading either fic, do that first because this contains spoilers for both. )
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These are three books my sister had me read, in reverse order of how much I liked them.

I am not sick! I don't need help! (Amador) - 5/5 - This is an awesome book, basically the idea of collaborative problem-solving applied to the domain of mental illness, which has the additional issue that the person involved often does not know that they are mentally ill. (The principle is the same with dementia.) The book first goes over anosognosia, the neurological condition in which the person is unaware of their mental illness (or other brain issue) -- which can be super frustrating as it looks a lot like denial, and it seems like if one just provided enough evidence that the person has a mental illness, the person would have to admit it.

Although I'd been familiar with the concept of anosognosia from just looking up stuff about dementia online, my previous online reading had only dealt with it from the perspective of "this is how it presents." The framing of it in this book as the person's self-concept not updating due to mental illness or other brain issues was new to me, and I felt like it made it much easier for me to viscerally understand why the person would continue to be unaware of mental issues even when a ton of evidence was presented.

And the author brings up examples of trying to convince the person that they're sick (his brother had schizophrenia) and how it fails and just makes everyone angry and frustrated. He shows how to instead use a more collaborative problem-solving solution, that crucially goes around the question of whether the person has a mental illness (because the two of you are probably never going to agree on that point) and rather focuses on how to agree on treatment.

It's written in very simple, easy-to-digest language, I expect because Amador wanted it to be accessible to as many people as possible, but it seems to all make sense and I didn't feel that it was too dumbed down or trying to make claims that were too large (see also the third book in this post). I also felt like there was a minimum of fluff, which I feel can happen with this kind of book -- there was a lot of "don't blame yourself," which I didn't need but which many people probably do.

This book strongly recommends that (say) mentally ill patients be treated, but provides conversational blueprints for getting them to agree to treatment even if they don't agree they're mentally ill. The idea is to think about how it would feel if everyone around you was saying you had a mental illness but you were convinced you didn't, and to use that as a starting point to find things you agree on, and build the relationship of trust so that you can tackle the problem of treatment. The acronym he uses is LEAP: Listen, Empathize, Accept, and Partner. (Yes, that's going to sound pretty familiar if you've read other collaborative problem-solving books. And Amador doesn't say he's reinventing the wheel, he totally says right up front that he's basically just presenting other people's work, he's just trying to give it a larger audience.)

I'd love for there to be a companion volume to this dealing with dementia specifically, because of course some of the issues are not quite the same, and it would be really nice to have specific blueprint conversations to work from. And I wrote that and I guess my sister did the next step of contacting the author, whose secretary told her that he has written a more general book about the LEAP method which includes one conversation modeling what to do with someone with dementia. So, uh, I guess stay tuned for that one, because I'm definitely gonna read that.

Highly, highly recommended if you're dealing with someone with mental illness or dementia or other brain issues.

My Father's Brain (Jauhar) - 3/5 - This is a memoir by Sandeep Jauhar, a doctor and writer, about his father's dementia decline (and eventual death). His father was a scientist, and so that decline was very harsh. My sister and I agreed that the author/narrator should really have read the LEAP book because wow does he fall into every. single. trap possible. I guess he's honest about it? It was well written and brutally honest, but I also found it rather frustrating to read because I kept wanting to yell at him to do things differently. I also felt horrible for Harwinder, his father's caregiver who really just did it all herself, and it really kind of felt like they were taking advantage of her.

The End of Alzheimers (Bredersen) - DNF. Okay... there is a fair amount to like about this book, especially the points that inflammation probably causes a lot of crap to happen in people's bodies and that having good nutrition and exercise and so on can really make a big difference in all kinds of bodily functions, including the brain. And it can't hurt to get a full battery of tests to make sure that there's no underlying condition like hypothyroidism, etc. However, by the end of chapter two I was getting a really intense vibe of "I'm here to sell you my patented solution that is super expensive but fixes alllll the problems in the world!" and poking around on the interwebs leads me to believe that, in fact, his solution -- especially the parts that depend on Super Special Supplements that only practitioners Specially Trained in Bredersen's method can provide -- is not properly studied and there's no particular reason to believe it will work any better than good nutrition and exercise alone, plus, sure, testing to make sure there's no underlying condition or any vitamin deficiencies, and those kinds of supplements when needed.
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4/5. This book is a sequel and conclusion to She Who Became the Sun and chronicles the further adventures of Zhu Yuanzhang, who took her dead brother's fate and is now the Radiant King, and whose inexorable ambition is driving her to further heights; the despised scholar Wang Baoxiang, whose inexorable desire for revenge is driving him to play ever-more fraught court games; Madame Zhang, whose inexorable ambition to be the wife of the Emperor is fueling all kinds of wars and intrigues; the haunted (both figuratively and literally) General Ouyang, whose inexorable desire for revenge drives him onwards.

If this sounds like it could be wildly exciting and compelling, you will be pleased to know that it in fact is! Shelly Parker-Chan is a very good writer and does all of these storylines justice; her writing is very compelling. More than its predecessor, it reads very much to me like a cdrama -- I was reminded a lot of watching Nirvana in Fire, not because any of the characters are particularly similar, but just in terms of the plot twists and the plot drama and so on.

If this sounds like everyone in this book is incredibly intense, then you are also correct! Sometimes while reading it I felt almost on the edge of burnout just reading it because everyone was always working at 100% capacity because they were so intense about what they wanted! Which is in large part the point -- that when you want something that much, the world will (at least to a certain extent) warp around that -- but not being that kind of intense myself, I was sometimes like, "wow, have you ever thought about getting a hobby??" (Unsurprisingly, the once or twice that one of the characters does have a hobby, it is swiftly co-opted in service of Ambition and Drama.)

I do highly recommend that if you are like me and have forgotten everything that happened in She Who Became the Sun, to reread that one first. I spent way too long being a bit lost (but still enjoying myself) because I didn't do that. Most books I feel like I don't have to reread previous ones, but this one is so intense that would really have helped.

I do feel like I would have liked it more had I read it before I read the Scholomance books or Some Desperate Glory. Both those books are very concerned with what it means to come to understand and help other people, and also with the mindset of "you know what? It's not enough to just save the two people we like." These books are not so concerned with that. (Which is fine! But admittedly less super pushing my thematic buttons.) I felt that 98% of the book was everyone going "Zhu Yuanzhang, you GO with that ambition!" and not until pretty late in the book does Zhu even start considering anything else, and it's only literally the last few pages where the book deals with these questions head-on. At the end of Sun I had thought that Zhu's overwhelming ambition was careening towards disaster in some way or another, and there's a certain extent to which that's true in Drowned, but the narrative always seems to be very much on Zhu's side. Which makes it a much much more upbeat book than, say, the Baru Cormorant books, which I did very much appreciate! But also it often seemed like Zhu was getting off too easy.

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