Frederick the Great discussion post 15

[cahn]

...I have nothing clever to say here, just really pleased this is still going :)
rheinsberg

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Re: Lehndorff

[mildred_of_midgard]

Ooh, I have so many things I want to say but I can't! The erastes point is very interesting, and not one I had noticed! I'll limit myself to:

1) I have never been convinced Heinrich was into being dominated. It's one possible explanation, of course, and one that I definitely find hot, but I think there are too many alternate explanations, at least given the limited evidence I have at my disposal. Ziebura may have a more accurate picture.

2) Hypothesis: Heinrich consistently started relationships with guys in their early 20s, whether he was 19 or 60. Counterevidence, selenak? I don't know all his boyfriends' birthdates, nor do I know when all the relationships started.

If so, possible evidence that sexual passion played a much stronger (although not exclusive) role in his relationships, compared to Fritz, who was a little more all over the place.

In addition to Voltaire, Manteuffel, and Suhm, let's not forget Katte was 26 when Fritz was 18, and Lt. Borcke, possible candidate for boyfriend and at the very least, close relationship, was, 10 years older than Fritz, so 25 when Fritz was 15. And it's been pointed out that the Rheinsberg circle, even the non-boyfriends, were by and large a generation older than Fritz. Fritz was definitely drawn to older mentors when he was younger, along with older romantic, maybe sexual partners.