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And including Emperor Joseph II!

from Derek Beales: Joseph II, Volume 2: Against the World, 1780 - 1790:

Joseph's alleged comment to Mozart about the Entführung, "Too many notes", has been taken as evidence of his ignorance. But he probably said something like, "Too beautiful for our ears, and monstrous many notes." It is always necessary to bear in mind, when appraising the emperor's remarks, his peculiar brand of humor or sarcasm. He was usually getting at someone. And he did not use the royal "we". The ears in question were those of the Viennese audience, whom he was mocking for their limited appreciation of Mozart's elaborate music.

(though not gonna lie, I think it is a LOT of notes)
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By now, I've read - well, more like browsed through - both MacKay biographies, the Eugene one and the Great Elector one. Alas, he's just not a good storyteller. (Say about Nancy G. what you want, but she can tell a story.) I was prepared to give him some leaveway for Eugene since he emphasizes most of the private correspondence has been lost, so you're left with political letters and what various envoys say about him. But having read two F1 biographies and Sophie's letter last year, I know there's some juicy stuff to be told in the Great Elector's life, and a more entertaining way to do it. (I just can't call him Friedrich Wilhelm, that's too confusing, though he's completely to blame fo rthe endless variations of later generations of Hohenzollern being named Friedrich, Wilhelm or both). Also, MacKay is given to absolute claims without backing it up. I mean, when the Elector's first wife dies and he remarries Dorothea the founder of the Schwedt line, our author tells us that while Dorothea didn't have Henrietta's intelligence or charm, the Elector was likely happier with her, since she was more fun and Henrietta was so serious. He does not back this up with a quote, either from the Elector himself or from an envoy. (For what it's worth, the impression I had from the two F1 biopgrahies was that the Elector had two good marriages - more than most royals got in the era - in terms of how he related to the wives and they to him; that the second one had a bad effect on his relationships with his children from the first was mostly on him and would have married with any wife unless he'd have remarried one who wasn't interested in fighting for her childern's inheritance and/or didn't produce children with him.

McKay sums up the Elector's relationships with the first marriage children was "loved "Charles Emmanuel" - it startled to find Karl Emil in this form -, didn't think much of future F1, nor did the French envoy, then Ludwig dies and F1's paranoia goes through the roof, but he was fab with the children of the second marriage. And that's it. There are no human details, either good or bad, like there had been in the F1 biographies - good, that the Elector in his "how to teach my sons" instructions wanted them to learn geography via interesting stories about the places in question, for example, and bad, the way he treated both the not Karl Emil sons once Karl Emil was dead, including the refusal to visit the dying Ludwig, which was too much even for the Team Dorothea French envoy. There's a lot of family drama here, and hardly anything makes it into the biography. It's not even mentioned that future F1 being humpbacked and having inverted legs was one big reason why his father didn't think much of him even before Karl Emil died. And we don't learn much about Henrietta other than her being an heiress, well read and "serious" - such details like her being appalled at Danckelmann's Severus-Snape-like teaching style and argueing that gentleness - douceur - is better for children than harsh shoutings just don't exist, and so no one comes to life there. (Same with Dorothea.)

Instead, you have a lot about the various mlitary compaigns and treaties, which without previous human investment isn't where my interest lies. What McKay does get across well is how deeply his 30 Years War childhood and youth imprinted on the Elector (remember, he spent most of his childhood in Küstrin, spelled Polish Kosztryn in this book), and how consequently he saw "defense of the Protestant Faith" as his great mission in life, and consequently deeply distrusted the Habsburg Emperors. Because Richelieu and Mazarin had both allied France with the Protestants against the Habsburgs in that war, the Elector teaming up with Louis was a natural follow-up, though once Louis started to kick out Huguenots, it led to some massive rethinking on the Elector's part. He also was flexible enough in his alliances as needs must, and build up a standing army so that being at the mercy of other people's armies would not happen again, which is one reason why Brandenburg started out as impoverished and ravaged as all the German principalities after the most devasting war in Europe before the 20th century and ended up as the most important Electorate in the HRE. But McKay points out that the only city within the Electorate who really benefited from the Elctor's rule was Berlin - Berlin and Cölln, two towns, became one under his rule -, whereas all the others both in Brandenburg and the duchy of Prussia (for which the Elector swore homage to both the Poles and the Swedes at different points of his alliances) went downhill, especially Königsberg. This was partly because the Elector couldn't tax his nobles for all the rebuilding of the devastated country, so the cities and the peasants bore the brunt of it, but also for religious reasons - Königsberg folk were Lutheran Protestants, and the Elector was a Calvinist. (Who didn't see the Lutherans as as bad as the Catholics, but two thirds of his household and administration officials were all Calvinists, which in a mainly Lutheran realm (especially before the Huguenots arrived from France) isn't exactly representative. There was much mutual suspicion, and one rebellious Königsberg guy tortured to death on the wheel.

Mostly, though, I'm frustrated, because the biography doesn't manage (in my mind) to make the Elector come alive as a human being, nor anyone else in his surroundings. I might have to try Hohenzollern anti Jürgen Luh's biography for that one.
Edited Date: 2022-02-09 01:16 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, he's definitely not an exciting biographer who brings his subject matter alive, but I'm actually glad I read the Eugene one. I even ended up rereading parts of it. For those of us who *are* interested in the military history of the War of the Spanish Succession, he gave a pretty clear and, dare I say it, interesting account. ;)

I haven't had time to read the Great Elector one yet, but it's on my list.

ETA: Meant to say, I would love it if you read a bio of the Great Elector more focused on the human side and did "un write up" for us!

Say about Nancy G. what you want, but she can tell a story.

I know! She's great! That's why I wanted to do a readalong. So disappointing.

Instead, you have a lot about the various mlitary compaigns and treaties, which without previous human investment isn't where my interest lies.

From flipping through it when it arrived, I indeed saw that this was what it focused on, and I admit that I'm looking forward to it. ;)

Speaking of biographies, have you been able to ascertain whether the Stabi's copy of Leopold is in German or not? I'm just curious whether it's worth the horrendous expense of shipping these volumes to the US for my Leopold interests. But it's going to be months before I get around to it (the reading list grows ever longer! in both German and English!), so definitely no rush.
Edited Date: 2022-02-09 02:29 pm (UTC)
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Leopold: I found a more recent Austrian biography at Stabi which I've ordered, and will tell you the result. Incidentally, Stabi also has the Leopold/Joseph correspondence (edited by Arneth) and the Leopold/Marie Christine correspondence (edited by Adam Wolf) completley online... in the original French. (Other than a German preface each.) Sigh.

The Great Elector: Ordered two biographies from the Stabi while I was at it.
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Excellent, thank you on all counts!

Correspondence: how badly do you want it? I can look into Google translate...
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Ask me again once I've read the Leopold bio...
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While we're on the subject of biographies (which I usually am these days ;)), do you know if Uwe Schultz is notably good or bad? The Kindle sample of his Mazarin bio seems readable enough, but his other bios I'm eyeing (Richelieu, Louis XIV, Henri IV) are hard-copy only.
Edited Date: 2022-02-09 10:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
alas, I haven't read anything of his yet, so I can't say.
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Well, what even is the point then?!


Exactly. If he wants me to pay attention to the battles and the diplomatic manoeuvring, he has to give me family drama!
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Lol, you guys. :DDD I don't recommend reading about Victor Amadeus, then, because Symcox and especially Storrs will make McKay look like he writes airport thrillers. I am here for battles and diplomatic maneuvering, myself. (Though I still think good maps should be mandatory instead of depressingly rare, and so should giving an overview of the complete war before starting in on tactical minutiae.)

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