![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
cahnLast post, along with the usual 18th-century suspects, included the Ottonians; changing ideas of conception and women's sexual pleasure; Isabella of Parma (the one who fell in love, and vice versa, with her husband's sister); Henry IV and Bertha (and Henry's second wife divorcing him for "unspeakable sexual acts"). (Okay, Isabella of Parma was 18th century.)
Re: Leopold II
Date: 2022-12-04 03:40 pm (UTC)Alas, while you can use "kümmerte" in the first sense - i.e. for example "Sonsine war diejenige, die sich um Wilhelmine kümmerte" - from the context I fear Peham means it in the second sense.
See also our earlier exchange of the idea of motherhood as a woman's first and foremost calling not just then, and if you, as a mother, don't have presentable evidence that you think of your children all the time before you think of anything else, you are a BAD mother and get judged. Even when your separation from your son really really REALLY was not your fault. (I bet Livia rued the day she let Leopold sweet talk her into coming to Austria with him.)
Finally, what is this about Peham saying there were only 7 electors in the 18th century? What about Bavaria and Hanover, the new additions since the Golden Bull of 1356?
Quite, and there was even yet another addendum five minutes before the HRE expired, because the Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel demanded to be made an Elector which did happen - but that one isn't relevant any longer for the Leopold years, I think, it happened when Franz II was Emperor. HOWEVER, when the Elector Palatinate inherited Bavaria because the original Wittelsbach line bit the dust and thus the Palatinate line took over, it meant there were only eight, and then Napoleon happened, which meant the arch bishoprics of Trier and Cologne were dissolved in the treaty of Luneville (1801), and the remaining spiritual Elector post transfered from Mainz (occupied by France, first German republic during that time) to Regensburg.
Re: Leopold II
Date: 2022-12-04 07:41 pm (UTC)Ugh, that was my reading, but then I thought I would give her the benefit of the doubt and check with you.
Between this and the homophobia about Isabella, I am not liking Peham as a person!
Also, the only thing she's mentioned as having done while moving on with her life is getting married...like a good respectable woman. You can't win!
Quite, and there was even yet another addendum five minutes before the HRE expired, because the Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel demanded to be made an Elector which did happen
The part where he was demanding this was actually mentioned by Peham, where he wanted electoral status in return for giving Leopold troops to use in Belgium, but that was after Leopold was already emperor.
HOWEVER, when the Elector Palatinate inherited Bavaria because the original Wittelsbach line bit the dust and thus the Palatinate line took over, it meant there were only eight
OH RIGHT. Sheesh, my early 18th century history is more solid than my later 18th century. Thank you. But still, the way Peham writes it is this:
Since the 13th century, the Roman king was elected exclusively by the seven electors (three ecclesiastical: Mainz, Trier, Cologne; four secular: Count Palatine of the Rhine, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Brandenburg, King of Bohemia), their rights and duties were laid down in the "Golden Bull" of 1356.
Which makes it seem like nothing at all changed between then and 1790.
So assuming the Hanovers were still interested in electing emperors in 1790, her "The three spiritual and the envoys of the four secular electors" description of Leopold's election has to be wrong.
Re: Leopold II
Date: 2022-12-05 08:27 am (UTC)