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Last post, along with the usual 18th-century suspects, included the Ottonians; changing ideas of conception and women's sexual pleasure; Isabella of Parma (the one who fell in love, and vice versa, with her husband's sister); Henry IV and Bertha (and Henry's second wife divorcing him for "unspeakable sexual acts"). (Okay, Isabella of Parma was 18th century.)

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mildred_of_midgard

Alas, while you can use "kümmerte" in the first sense - i.e. for example "Sonsine war diejenige, die sich um Wilhelmine kümmerte" - from the context I fear Peham means it in the second sense.

Ugh, that was my reading, but then I thought I would give her the benefit of the doubt and check with you.

Between this and the homophobia about Isabella, I am not liking Peham as a person!

Also, the only thing she's mentioned as having done while moving on with her life is getting married...like a good respectable woman. You can't win!

Quite, and there was even yet another addendum five minutes before the HRE expired, because the Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel demanded to be made an Elector which did happen

The part where he was demanding this was actually mentioned by Peham, where he wanted electoral status in return for giving Leopold troops to use in Belgium, but that was after Leopold was already emperor.

HOWEVER, when the Elector Palatinate inherited Bavaria because the original Wittelsbach line bit the dust and thus the Palatinate line took over, it meant there were only eight

OH RIGHT. Sheesh, my early 18th century history is more solid than my later 18th century. Thank you. But still, the way Peham writes it is this:

Since the 13th century, the Roman king was elected exclusively by the seven electors (three ecclesiastical: Mainz, Trier, Cologne; four secular: Count Palatine of the Rhine, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Brandenburg, King of Bohemia), their rights and duties were laid down in the "Golden Bull" of 1356.

Which makes it seem like nothing at all changed between then and 1790.

So assuming the Hanovers were still interested in electing emperors in 1790, her "The three spiritual and the envoys of the four secular electors" description of Leopold's election has to be wrong.

From:

selenak

Indeed it has to be. BTW, we're counting numbers, then let#s not forget who the King of Bohemia is and always has been since the Habsburgs nailed that realm for good. And that youngest MT son Max is the Archbishop of Cologne. (Rather unfairly accused by Leopold in not being his own man in the "How and why my family sucks" rant, when Joseph biographer Beales provides ample evidence to the contrary.)