cahn | 18th-Century Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 37

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January 18th: Blessed be thou to me! Under your light, my Prince Heinrich was born!

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From:

mildred_of_midgard

And you know I think Wilhelmine was pleased as punch to come across a "it was really the WOMAN in the Iron Mask" version.

I think she was!

AS for Louis XIII, of all the people, agreeing to a secret bio dad to impregnate his wife, where do I even start?

Louis: What do you think this is, Sweden?

:P

(Lest we forget the Finnish sex machine. ;))

[ETA:

luzula, if you're following along, context is here, tell us if you've heard this story before!)

I don't think Le Roi Soleil was the worst or most ruthless French King ever

Who was the most ruthless French King ever, do you think? Of the ones I personally know something about, Louis XI comes to mind, but I have way too many gaps in my knowledge to be able to say.

Eustache was a servant of Minette's whom she really liked and she pleaded for his life.

Ooh, could be! I like your reasoning.

After all, Fouquet as far as I know was allowed to write letters.

Horowski says Fouquet was "occasionally" allowed a letter to his family, after promising not to talk about anything he had learned in prison (i.e. Eustache's secret), but even so, his letters would have been censored first, surely? Censorship of letters was pretty common in France.

Besides, if Eustache has any secret at all, we still have to account for why he was allowed to talk to Fouquet, regardless of what the secret is.

Edited Date: 2022-08-01 08:15 pm (UTC)

From:

luzula

(Lest we forget the Finnish sex machine. ;))

[ETA: [personal profile] luzula, if you're following along, context is here, tell us if you've heard this story before!)

Ha ha, no, I had not! Thanks for sharing, that's great. : D

But my eye was caught by this, because WHAT?
Gustav IV Adolf *in exile*: So, I'm not good enough because I'm possibly the son of a Finnish sex machine, but a French commoner who has "death to kings" tattooed on his arm is?

I mean, obviously I know about Bernadotte, but I did NOT know that he had "death to kings" tattooed on his arm? Awesome, if true. But do you have a source for this? I found a Swedish site saying that this is a myth, and that it arose from the 1833 play Le Camarade de lit, where this happens:

... The ex-grenadier reminds the King that he had once tattooed his arm with gunpowder. Carried away by old associations the King pulls up his sleeve and displays the indelible imprint of a Phrygian Cap and of a revolutionary motto, which is said to have been Mort aux Rois. The disclosure of this secret is the turning-point of the piece. The King is placed in such a dilemma by this compromising discovery that, in order to save himself from the necessity of abdication, he is compelled to give his consent to the marriage of the hero and the heroine, thus bringing the curtain down upon a happy ending to the play.

The same site does say that he said in a 1797 letter that he is a republican by principle and would fight royalists to his dying day, but only has a second-hand source for it that I can't access.

From:

selenak

No, I don’t have a source other than the legend for the “Death to Kings!” Tattoo, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it solely hails from a popular play. As we’ve seen all too often in this fandom, once an idea catches on, a lot of people centuries later regard it as fact.

I also wrote an emojii version of the Swedish Scandal for Mildred, which got reposted here:

https://rheinsberg.dreamwidth.org/33616.html#cutid1