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cahnAnd including Emperor Joseph II!
from Derek Beales: Joseph II, Volume 2: Against the World, 1780 - 1790:
Joseph's alleged comment to Mozart about the Entführung, "Too many notes", has been taken as evidence of his ignorance. But he probably said something like, "Too beautiful for our ears, and monstrous many notes." It is always necessary to bear in mind, when appraising the emperor's remarks, his peculiar brand of humor or sarcasm. He was usually getting at someone. And he did not use the royal "we". The ears in question were those of the Viennese audience, whom he was mocking for their limited appreciation of Mozart's elaborate music.
(though not gonna lie, I think it is a LOT of notes)
from Derek Beales: Joseph II, Volume 2: Against the World, 1780 - 1790:
Joseph's alleged comment to Mozart about the Entführung, "Too many notes", has been taken as evidence of his ignorance. But he probably said something like, "Too beautiful for our ears, and monstrous many notes." It is always necessary to bear in mind, when appraising the emperor's remarks, his peculiar brand of humor or sarcasm. He was usually getting at someone. And he did not use the royal "we". The ears in question were those of the Viennese audience, whom he was mocking for their limited appreciation of Mozart's elaborate music.
(though not gonna lie, I think it is a LOT of notes)
AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-08 09:24 am (UTC)I, m34, was just trying to look out for my bratty younger sibling, m20 - there's this
hotguy, total prick tease, whom the brat is swooning about. I might have said the guy has STD and made fun of his everything, and now the brat isn't talking to me anymore, when I was just being concerned for his health! AITA?I, f55, always wanted the best for my children, especially when it came to their marriages. Now my oldest daughter looks at me as if I'm a madwoman just because I told her she should treat her new husband like her brother and not have sex with him so we can still annul this wretched marriage she should never have agreed to in the first place! She knows how much this means to me, and yet she betrayed me this way, she should be grateful I'm still talking to her at all! AITA?
I should have known this would happen, but: here I am, making some money on the side while providing heroic beta-reading services and writing my own stuff and defending an unfairly attacked guy against a shitstorm - and what happens? The guy who's been hitting on me for 16 years before I finally agreed to move in with him all of a sudden leads the shitstorm, attacks me while he's at it, burns my latest masterpiece and has me arrested while complaining to all our mutual friends that IATA!!!!!
So here I, m, am, having a long term affair with the love of my life (m), procreating in my marriage (with f), having an affair with a bimbo (f) on the side, and mentoring this guy who has admittedly exciting future job prospects in my non existant spare time - and then that utter bastard first has sex with the bimbo, then, when I complain about it, dumps me as an mentor! I'll never get over it! His mother totally agrees with me, but the jerk still refuses to apologize - I don't need to ask whether AITA, because I know I'm not!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-08 04:13 pm (UTC)(ok, one: wow, Fritz, YTA) (for mildred, that's the acronym for "you're the asshole")
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-08 11:56 pm (UTC)ETA: I copied these into an email, and she got 3 out of 5: Voltaire, FW, and SD. :D
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-08 11:42 pm (UTC)Voltaire! SD! Hervey who took me surprisingly long to figure out! Because I was thinking of a different guy by the same name with exciting future job prospects and trying to make this fit Manteuffel. :P [ETA: Which did result in amusingly confused thoughts like "Fritz never slept with Frau von Blaspiel!" "And also she was f, not m!"]
burns my latest masterpiece and has me arrested while complaining to all our mutual friends that IATA!!!!!
Ahahaha, that is almost word-for-word from Voltaire's actual
threadletters!and mentoring this guy who has admittedly exciting future job prospects in my non existant spare time
We marvel about how Algarotti found the time for his love life, but clearly he got a few pointers on schedule management from his fling Hervey!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-09 08:30 am (UTC)LOL. Well, Manteuffel is less suited for this meme because a) he's far older than Hervey, and while ending his life as the mentor of a King would be nice, he's had a good run, he's respected not just in his professional field but by scholars and is still mentally alert and curious enough to return to college for his 50th graduation anniversary, so while Fritz kicking him out undoubtedly felt like a let down, he had a lot of other things to look forward to for his final years, and b) he's generally far thicker skinned. Hervey is decades younger when all goes down and if, as he undoubtedly imagined, Fritz of Wales becomes King in a decade or so, he could have essentially graduated to Walpole's job as PM and ruled Britain. Moreover, he's a gay or bisexual with strong gay leanings man who has been ridiculed as such by some of his peers to the point of a duel while shit in Holland is going down. He needs to be respected and admired for more intensely than Manteuffel. But I shall try a Manteuffel version of this meme at the end of this reply.
We marvel about how Algarotti found the time for his love life, but clearly he got a few pointers on schedule management from his fling Hervey!
Truly. That's another thing that always cracks me up: at the same time Hervey is going OH THE BETRAYAL about the Fritz of Wales/Miss Vane fling, he has all these other entanglements going on. However, see above.
Now, the Manteuffel version:
Here I, m64, was, enjoying my retirement as a PRIVATE CITIZEN, mentoring a few promising young people both in my state of residence and state of (former) employement, when it occured to me that takingon one more young fellow as a protegé might result in a general improvement of affairs for a great many people due to the kid's future job prospects. Now I was intensely familiar with people in his future line of work and let me tell you, most of these are jerks, with a lot of people suffering for it. His father was one of the worst. Any improvement there was enough of an incentive to lure me out of my retirement. Now I might have used a few questionable methods at first, but those prostitutes could use the money, so could various male friends in his social circle, and also, the competitition did the same thing. For a while, we seemed to hit it off and he expanded his intellectual horizon by listening to my reading tips, but unfortunately, the combination of other influences and an admittedly ill advised photobombing let to an enstragement. Well, at least I got a golden knob for a walking stick out of it, but when the kid, once on the job, immediately initiated a hostile takeover of the worst type, I couldn't help but wonder: could I have prevented this? was I the asshole there?
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-08 11:55 pm (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-09 08:47 am (UTC)I, m41, am a loving family man with a strong work ethic and good Christian values. All I want is for my family to share those, especially my oldest son. To that end, I appointed him the best teachers, ensured he's always supervised and thus does not feel neglected, and spared him the awful stupid lessons I had to endure as a kid. Like Latin and ancient history. All I want in return is for him to be exactly like me, is this too much to ask? But no. He keeps grimacing when I'm around, ridicules all I hold dear, keeps lying to me, gets into debts and in general shows every sign of becoming the kind of lazy slob bound to ruin my life's work! So naturally I took counter measures. Some of them might have been drastic, like sending bad influences away and dragging him in front of two armies, but they were for his own good! Anyone could see that! And now the kid has humilated me in front of Europe by trying to run away, even conspiring with my own employes in order to do so. I might have overreacted when telling his mother he was dead, slapping his sister and telling him his mother doesn't care anymore, but I don't think so. It's just, my other kid, who's usually good as gold, now doesn't want to join my favourite profession anymore. AITA?
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-10 12:48 am (UTC)EVERY LINE
*bows to you*
It's just, my other kid, who's usually good as gold, now doesn't want to join my favourite profession anymore.
I am SO glad we found Stratemann, I can't tell you!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 06:00 am (UTC)NTA. Kid should be more grateful. Maybe the problem is that he doesn't really see how much you do for him. I bet more family time would help, bring him to your nights out with the guys or whatever you do for fun. Or find him a nice girl! That's what he needs. Bonus is that your other kid will see all this and realize that the male authority figures really do know best.
pastorb
Depends on what you mean by "bad influences" -- I hope you're not trying to totally cut him off from his friends, that would be YTA territory for sure.
BearsAreNotTheAnswer
YTA. I just feel like if someone wants to run away, then that's your answer right there, you know?
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 07:55 am (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-12 08:05 pm (UTC)*dies*
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-09 12:57 pm (UTC)I, m, am a good looking career guy who used to be a in a steady relationship with someone in the same profession. Okay, my superior, but not the ultimate boss. (Could have had him, too, back in the day, if I'd wanted.) Now, maybe I was a bit high-handed when treating most of my s.o.'s hangers-on as the parasites they were, but I was just looking out for him! I mean, we've been through years of a high stress situation together, and now that's over, he's dumping me for some younger bit of fluff? Am I supposed to take that lying down?!!!! Of course I raised holy hell, I mean, who wouldn't, and okay, maybe hitting on his wife wasn't the best tactic, but I know he's been wanting to divorce her for eons. Anyway, the point is: I've been transferred to the back of beyond while the himbo got a gorgeous estate, and I still don't know how that happened. AITA?
I, m, really want everyone to be happy, and can't help it if many of them hit on me. I also want a steady job. Somehow, this evolved into a situation where this woman whom I had pay my travelling expenses thinks we'll live together while the guy in whose house I lived is having a fit because I had dinner with her on my last evening in town. But did either of them get me the job I wanted? They did not! So what's to complain about? AITA?
Some years ago I, m, and my long term companion, f, agreed to put our relationship on a non-sexual footing. AT the time, I thought it was a good idea, what with me being often ill and also way older. Since then, however, I discovered that I still can enjoy sex with a different woman. This doesn't impact on my relationship with my long-term companion, right? I mean, since we agreed to go platonic anyway, and I'm still as attracted as ever by her mind? It's just, there's this good looking younger guy hitting on her these days, and it looks like she's attracted to him, and I can't see that going anywhere good, so I said so, and we had an almighty row, especially after she found out about my other relationship. Okay, maybe I shouldn't have said "it's not like we're married" or "ditch the he-man, he's just after your money", but was that a reason for calling me a love rat and an overrated hack?!? AITA?
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-10 12:47 am (UTC)(Could have had him, too, back in the day, if I'd wanted.)
LOLOL, I IMMEDIATELY knew who this was. :P Brilliant!
I've been transferred to the back of beyond while the himbo got a gorgeous estate, and I still don't know how that happened
*can't stop laughing*
Look at your life, look at your choices, Chalk Remorse. :P
But did either of them get me the job I wanted? They did not! So what's to complain about? AITA?
Hmmm. Weeeellll, you need to communicate when you're not interested a lot more closely. (I was actually using him as a cautionary tale for Royal Patron not long ago, of what happens when you mean no but you have trouble saying no. Not in a romantic situation necessarily, but in general.)
Okay, maybe I shouldn't have said "it's not like we're married" or "ditch the he-man, he's just after your money", but was that a reason for calling me a love rat and an overrated hack?!? AITA?
Oh, Voltaire. There's a reason Pleschinski ships you/Fritz!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 05:51 am (UTC)Me: realizes that after all this I STILL cannot tell Kalckreuth and Kaphengst apart :PP (yes, I did go look up the rheinsberg post on Heinrich's boyfriends :P )
Of course I raised holy hell, I mean, who wouldn't, and okay, maybe hitting on his wife wasn't the best tactic, but I know he's been wanting to divorce her for eons.
lolololol
Somehow, this evolved into a situation where this woman whom I had pay my travelling expenses thinks we'll live together while the guy in whose house I lived is having a fit because I had dinner with her on my last evening in town. But did either of them get me the job I wanted? They did not!
AHAHAHAHAHA omg Algarotti
These things just happen to you, don't they
I mean, since we agreed to go platonic anyway, and I'm still as attracted as ever by her mind?
I may have spilled something. VOLTAIRE.
These guys were made for AITA, weren't they!
especially Voltaire, omg(andRe: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 07:53 am (UTC)Think of them as Chalk Remorse and Cape Stallion, as Mildred does. :) Or by era: one was mainly 7 Years War, the other the ca. fifteen years later.
AHAHAHAHAHA omg Algarotti
These things just happen to you, don't they
Which is why he clearly was impersonated by a time traveller or several. ;) Mind you, milking them for money while flirting with them (and writing at least one poem to them) does not exactly send a clear NO signal.
Voltaire: quite. I'm sure one could do this meme with him and Rousseau as well, but not me, since I'm not interested in Rousseau...
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-10 04:13 pm (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-10 05:56 pm (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 05:59 am (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 05:44 am (UTC)Now my oldest daughter looks at me as if I'm a madwoman just because I told her she should treat her new husband like her brother and not have sex with him so we can still annul this wretched marriage she should never have agreed to in the first place!
omg, lol SD! I am going to say, YTABPAC, an acronym I just now made up that means "you're the asshole but possibly also crazy" :) Because when you put it like that...
As for your third one, he got some replies:
(just to be complete, for mildred:
ESH = "Everyone sucks here"
YTA = "You're the asshole"
NTA = "Not the asshole")
RandomRedditAddict
I can't help thinking there are a heck of a lot of missing reasons here. How is that you "should have known" this would happen? It's a little hard to say without more details, but I'm leaning ESH on this one.
MyActualNameIsGreaterThanThis
YTA. RRAddict's post above has a great point, missing reasons galore. Maybe you were really mean and annoying and made fun of this poor guy behind his back, whose only crime was thinking you were amazing?? And, like, are you kidding me, people don't just get arrested for NO REASON. I bet there was totally a reason, like maybe you STOLE his stuff!!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-11 07:45 am (UTC)LOL on the two reddit comments, especially the second one. You just know he would not be able to stay away!
Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-12 05:52 pm (UTC)Re: AITA, Rokoko Style
Date: 2022-02-12 08:09 pm (UTC)missing reasons
Oh, hey, Issendai! I voraciously read her stuff when I was, uh, getting estranged from my parents. Then she didn't post anything for a while, and I stopped checking back to see if there was anything new. I blame you that I got sucked into catching up on her stuff at 1 am the night you posted this. :P
not that I should have been checking salon comments on my way back to bed eitherShe was very validating, and at the same time made me grateful that my parents were accepting the estrangement and not stalking me!