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cahnAnd including Emperor Joseph II!
from Derek Beales: Joseph II, Volume 2: Against the World, 1780 - 1790:
Joseph's alleged comment to Mozart about the Entführung, "Too many notes", has been taken as evidence of his ignorance. But he probably said something like, "Too beautiful for our ears, and monstrous many notes." It is always necessary to bear in mind, when appraising the emperor's remarks, his peculiar brand of humor or sarcasm. He was usually getting at someone. And he did not use the royal "we". The ears in question were those of the Viennese audience, whom he was mocking for their limited appreciation of Mozart's elaborate music.
(though not gonna lie, I think it is a LOT of notes)
from Derek Beales: Joseph II, Volume 2: Against the World, 1780 - 1790:
Joseph's alleged comment to Mozart about the Entführung, "Too many notes", has been taken as evidence of his ignorance. But he probably said something like, "Too beautiful for our ears, and monstrous many notes." It is always necessary to bear in mind, when appraising the emperor's remarks, his peculiar brand of humor or sarcasm. He was usually getting at someone. And he did not use the royal "we". The ears in question were those of the Viennese audience, whom he was mocking for their limited appreciation of Mozart's elaborate music.
(though not gonna lie, I think it is a LOT of notes)
Re: Keith brothers
Date: 2022-01-16 07:18 pm (UTC)Fritz: I'm only predicting the future! What you do with that is your own business.
But yeah, I'm reading it the same way: He tried to convince not!Robert to escape with them and to organize the horses by pointing out that Peter's involvement would mean bad things for not!Robert's future.
Re: Keith brothers
Date: 2022-01-16 07:29 pm (UTC)Ugh, I have sympathy for basically EVERYONE (except FW) in this horrible, terrible, no-good, very bad situation. I always said I didn't blame not!Robert for fessing up, and now that I know how his arm was twisted into this...I really, really don't.
Also, of interest: not!Robert's testimony contradicts Fritz's on this point.
Interrogatur: Ob der Prinz ihm nichts wegen seines Bruders, des Lieutenants, gesaget, daß derselbe auch mit weggehen würde?
Respond.: Nein, hiervon hätte er nichts gesaget; nur auf dem Rhein, des zweiten Tages, hätte der Kronprinz ihm befohlen, er solle seinem Bruder in Wesel von der ganzen Sache nichts sagen.
Q: Whether the Prince hadn't said something to him about his brother, the lieutenant, that he would also go away?
A: No, he had said nothing about this; only on the Rhine, on the second day, had the Crown Prince ordered him to say nothing to his brother in Wesel about the entire affair.
Either Fritz or not!Robert is lying or being forgetful here. Discuss!
Fritz: I'm only predicting the future! What you do with that is your own business.
LOLOL. :D Generously giving not!Robert a chance to escape the inevitable punishment!
Peter: MEANWHILE, I was trying to cover for my brother by writing letters saying he could room with me in Wesel, making sure it was clear he was innocent!
I wonder if Peter ever found out how that went down.
Re: Keith brothers
Date: 2022-01-17 10:24 am (UTC)Either Fritz or not!Robert is lying or being forgetful here. Discuss!
Well, both have motive. Not!Robert was witnessed that FW didn't explode until he learned of Peter's desertion, therefore is aware FW regards the knowledge that Fritz wasn't going to take off all by himself but in agreement with other soldiers as way worse than the knowledge only Fritz was going to, especially since Fritz has social power over Not!Robert.
Otoh, Fritz, at this point blissfully unafraid for himself, is aware FW is now on the warpath against everyone he sees as Fritz' co conspirators, and he knows that the Keiths don't have Katte's advantage of old and rich family members in good standing with FW. (He also has no way of knowing whether or not Peter has escaped for good. I doubt Fritz got a daily update from his father on that.) If, however, he makes it look like Not!Robert was blackmailed by him to keep mum, he helps excusing Not!Robert in his father's eyes.
This would fit with Fritz insisting it was all his idea and not to blame Katte (or Wilhelmine, or Mom) in his interrogations. Otoh, I am also ready to believe that he's simply telling the truth - he did use extortion on Not!Robert. Which in this situation I can see him capable of.
Either way, clearly it worked in Not!Robert's favor, given that FW gave him Peter's old job and didn't punish him.
I wonder if Peter ever found out how that went down.
It would depend on whether Not!Robert was still alive when Peter came back, but if we knew that, I guess we'd know what Not!Robert was actually called!
Re: Keith brothers
Date: 2022-01-17 03:50 pm (UTC)therefore is aware FW regards the knowledge that Fritz wasn't going to take off all by himself but in agreement with other soldiers as way worse than the knowledge only Fritz was going to
And this. I think the last thing not!Robert wanted FW to believe was that he was part of the big conspiracy with actually-deserting Peter.
It would depend on whether Not!Robert was still alive when Peter came back, but if we knew that, I guess we'd know what Not!Robert was actually called!
Ha! Well, I think Kloosterhuis says the two major candidates were still alive in 1740--at least one of them was. Yes, I just checked, and both were still alive:
Wahrscheinlich Georg Friedrich Wilhelm von Keith (1713 – 1755), sechstes Kind des Hans Christoph von Keith zu Poberow (Anm. 166). Da dessen Geburtsdatum auch mit „um 1710“ bezeichnet wird (Nachlaß Gallandi, Anm. 166), käme auch sein Bruder Johann Friedrich von Keith (1714 – 1793) in Frage, der sein Leben als Gutsbesitzer in Ostpreußen verbrachte.
So if Johann Friedrich or George Friedrich Wilhelm wants to tell returning Peter how their arm was twisted, they're still around to do it! OTOH, this might have been one of those things We Do Not Talk About. Hard to say!
Either way, clearly it worked in Not!Robert's favor, given that FW gave him Peter's old job and didn't punish him.
More or less: they ended up in different regiments, but yes. Exactly.
For reference (that probably only I care about ;)), Peter was in Dossow's Füsilierregiment, #31, not!Robert in Mosel's Füsilierregiment, #28. Both in Wesel.