Ah, okay! At first I was like "maybe not Mozart?" but then I went and looked at his list of compositions and there were a bunch of good ones :) But, I see, that makes sense.
(Grimm wrote to Leopold he wished Wolfgang had half the talent and twice the common sense and manners instead.)
Heh. I can totally see that.
So, Grimm: will only a few years after Mozart host Heinrich and be his go to guide in Paris, much more succesfully.
Lol, I bet Heinrich had way better manners than Wolfgang! Regardless of what Fritz might think :P
(Subscribers included the Divine Trio - in fact, AW, Heinrich and Ferdinand were the very first subscribers, though for money saving purposes they shared a subscription among themselves, Brother Fritz not ready to provide cash for three separate copies in 1753, Catherine in Russia (which is why Grimm later became her cultural agent in Paris once she was Czarina), Stanislaw Poniatowski, Heinrich's mother-in-law in Hesse-Darmstadt (who shared her copies with Fritz for three years in the vain hope of making him spring a subscription himself), Ulrike in Sweden (and later son Gustav), Anna Amalia and son Carl August later.)
Wooooow, this is like a who's who of people in our fandom! (As long as they weren't French -- and I also don't see any Austrians on that list?)
Fritz: never subscribes to the Correspondence Litteraire, presumably thinking he gets his letters from Grimm for free anyway.
Lol, I bet Heinrich had way better manners than Wolfgang! Regardless of what Fritz might think :P
Well, quite, though to be fair, Heinrich was blissfully happy and fulfilling a life long dream, while Wolfgang didn't want to be there to begin with and had a miserable time even before his mother died. He'd met Aloysia Weber in Mannheim, fallen in love, and wanted to tour Italy with her, establishing her as a prima donna and himself as a composer. Leopold somewhat understandably thought this idea was nuts. His arguments: Italy, which had hundreds of home grown, well trained singers, and lots and lots of composers! They were hardly waiting for a German newbie like Aloysia to make her a primadonna. Paris, by contrast, had according to Leopold only two or so composers-plus-musicians who could be regarded as serious competition, people had fond memories of the boy wonder, and thus Paris was ideal for Wolfgang to make his name as an adult. Without Aloysia. Net result: Leopold insisted, Wolfgang went, Aloysia broke up with him and became a prima donna on her own, in Germany, though, not Italy, and no one in Paris was interested in him.
Oh, btw: back in the 1760s, the Mozarts did meet a Hohenzollern sibling - Amalie! They had avoided Prussian territory on their three years European tour (which overlapped with the last year of the 7 Years War), but Amalie was taking the waters in Aix-la-Chapelle, and since she was famous as a musical connosseur, Wolfgang and Nannerl played for her. She was delighted and made much of them, but you could tell Leopold was starting to get jaded about princes and princesses, because while at the start of the tour he'd reported triumphantly when Wolfgang kissed MT in Vienna and got kisses from her, he wrote when the same happened with Amalie "I wish all these kisses were Taler, given the bill at our inn". (Again, to be fair: MT had given presents as well after the concert - money (as much as Leopold made as concert master in Salzburg in three months) and wardrobe, one worn gala outfit from an arch duchess and arch duke for Nannerl and Wolfgang each - this btw wasn't the equivalent of a hand-me-down, it was a very valuable gift in its own right, because those gala outfits weren't every day cloths but pretty expensive.) Look, Leopold, MT is a de facto Empress; Amalie is an Abbess with an Abbey which had a lot of rebuilding to do after the war, and the sister of a super thrifty brother!
Wooooow, this is like a who's who of people in our fandom! (As long as they weren't French -- and I also don't see any Austrians on that list?)
Well spotted, I hadn't noticed. Mind you, for all I know there were Austrians there as well, they just weren't among the examples wiki provides.
Huh, this is interesting; I don't know as much about Mozart as I ought to, discounting early exposure to Amadeus which I know doesn't count :P (Though I do know more since reading snippets from you on your DW and in salon! <3 ) Leopold, heh, I do feel kind of sorry for him, always having to talk Wolfgang out of terrible ideas like Italy and feeding his baby sugar water instead of milk (WTF Wolfgang??)
Ooh, well, at least I'm glad Amalie met them? :) "I wish all these kisses were Taler, given the bill at our inn" Aw, Leopold, I can see where he's coming from :)
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Re: Grimm
Date: 2021-04-07 05:17 am (UTC)(Grimm wrote to Leopold he wished Wolfgang had half the talent and twice the common sense and manners instead.)
Heh. I can totally see that.
So, Grimm: will only a few years after Mozart host Heinrich and be his go to guide in Paris, much more succesfully.
Lol, I bet Heinrich had way better manners than Wolfgang! Regardless of what Fritz might think :P
(Subscribers included the Divine Trio - in fact, AW, Heinrich and Ferdinand were the very first subscribers, though for money saving purposes they shared a subscription among themselves, Brother Fritz not ready to provide cash for three separate copies in 1753, Catherine in Russia (which is why Grimm later became her cultural agent in Paris once she was Czarina), Stanislaw Poniatowski, Heinrich's mother-in-law in Hesse-Darmstadt (who shared her copies with Fritz for three years in the vain hope of making him spring a subscription himself), Ulrike in Sweden (and later son Gustav), Anna Amalia and son Carl August later.)
Wooooow, this is like a who's who of people in our fandom! (As long as they weren't French -- and I also don't see any Austrians on that list?)
Fritz: never subscribes to the Correspondence Litteraire, presumably thinking he gets his letters from Grimm for free anyway.
LOL this is SO FRITZ.
Re: Grimm
Date: 2021-04-07 05:18 pm (UTC)Well, quite, though to be fair, Heinrich was blissfully happy and fulfilling a life long dream, while Wolfgang didn't want to be there to begin with and had a miserable time even before his mother died. He'd met Aloysia Weber in Mannheim, fallen in love, and wanted to tour Italy with her, establishing her as a prima donna and himself as a composer. Leopold somewhat understandably thought this idea was nuts. His arguments: Italy, which had hundreds of home grown, well trained singers, and lots and lots of composers! They were hardly waiting for a German newbie like Aloysia to make her a primadonna. Paris, by contrast, had according to Leopold only two or so composers-plus-musicians who could be regarded as serious competition, people had fond memories of the boy wonder, and thus Paris was ideal for Wolfgang to make his name as an adult. Without Aloysia. Net result: Leopold insisted, Wolfgang went, Aloysia broke up with him and became a prima donna on her own, in Germany, though, not Italy, and no one in Paris was interested in him.
Oh, btw: back in the 1760s, the Mozarts did meet a Hohenzollern sibling - Amalie! They had avoided Prussian territory on their three years European tour (which overlapped with the last year of the 7 Years War), but Amalie was taking the waters in Aix-la-Chapelle, and since she was famous as a musical connosseur, Wolfgang and Nannerl played for her. She was delighted and made much of them, but you could tell Leopold was starting to get jaded about princes and princesses, because while at the start of the tour he'd reported triumphantly when Wolfgang kissed MT in Vienna and got kisses from her, he wrote when the same happened with Amalie "I wish all these kisses were Taler, given the bill at our inn". (Again, to be fair: MT had given presents as well after the concert - money (as much as Leopold made as concert master in Salzburg in three months) and wardrobe, one worn gala outfit from an arch duchess and arch duke for Nannerl and Wolfgang each - this btw wasn't the equivalent of a hand-me-down, it was a very valuable gift in its own right, because those gala outfits weren't every day cloths but pretty expensive.) Look, Leopold, MT is a de facto Empress; Amalie is an Abbess with an Abbey which had a lot of rebuilding to do after the war, and the sister of a super thrifty brother!
Wooooow, this is like a who's who of people in our fandom! (As long as they weren't French -- and I also don't see any Austrians on that list?)
Well spotted, I hadn't noticed. Mind you, for all I know there were Austrians there as well, they just weren't among the examples wiki provides.
Mozarts
Date: 2021-04-10 05:34 am (UTC)Ooh, well, at least I'm glad Amalie met them? :) "I wish all these kisses were Taler, given the bill at our inn" Aw, Leopold, I can see where he's coming from :)