Re: Jägerhof

Date: 2021-03-26 10:24 am (UTC)
felis: (House renfair)
From: [personal profile] felis
(Prussian archives and this volume

Oh, hey, I hadn't seen this one before! Basically checks out when compared with Kalender data, nice. But what the heck, he worked without pay for years? And also, he got to meet Fritz in 1772, I didn't know/remember that either.

"lebenslängliche Wohnung."

I'd say it's simply "Wohnrecht", i.e. the right to live there if and whenever they want for as long as they live. (No idea if that means that they could have rented to someone else as well if they didn't live there themselves, but given that it wasn't their property, I rather doubt it?)

but hadn't caught the "in Cölln am Wasser" detail, thank you! Have now pinpointed it on the map thanks to your instructions.

To clarify here: "Cölln" is the name for the pre-Berlin town on the Spree Island and the name for the historical city district in the same place, so it refers to the whole island. So I guess that "am Wasser" means the entire street along the waterside, which is where both Suhm and Peter lived. Since that's a looong street, I suspect Peter's address got the "behind Brüderstrasse" for clarification, but I'm not so sure that Suhm actually lived at the southern tip, because "Cölln am Wasser" should mean the whole street around the southern part of the island and maybe at the very end is just where Schmettau* decided to write the street name. So Suhm's residence is narrowed down somewhat to "on the waterside on the southern part of the Spree island", but not exactly pinpointed. (I hope this makes sense.)
But speaking of historical districts, "Friedrichswerder" is the one with the Jägerhof in it, and "Dorotheenstadt" the one with the long Unter den Linden alley. See here for an overview. (Also, pre-1725, Suhm actually lived in Spandauer Strasse, which was located in the historical Berlin district that gave the whole city its name, to the east (number I).)

*plan-writer Schmettau btw = one of Peter's three curator collegues at the Academy

Re: Jägerhof

Date: 2021-03-26 05:23 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Oh, hey, I hadn't seen this one before!

Yeah, it's been my main source on the son for a while. Apparently, the only thing the author knows about Peter's death is that it was before 1763, though!

But what the heck, he worked without pay for years? And also, he got to meet Fritz in 1772, I didn't know/remember that either.

Apparently!

I'd say it's simply "Wohnrecht", i.e. the right to live there if and whenever they want for as long as they live.

That does make sense. And I guess if you have a place you own and can sell/rent for ready cash, and a place you can live without paying, that makes financial sense when your breadwinner dies unexpectedly.

So Suhm's residence is narrowed down somewhat to "on the waterside on the southern part of the Spree island", but not exactly pinpointed.

Thank you for clarifying Berlin historical geography! In that case, I guess what I pinpointed was the words "Cölln am Wasser" on the map, lol.

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