* Louise: you should pay me in Brandenburgian gold, because it doesn't matter whether AW's posthumous debts are paid a few months earlier or a few months later.
...Maybe it matters to the people who are getting paid? The economy's pretty shaky for all of you.
* Wait, Wilhelmine Encke was 12 when FW2 fell in love with her?? Also, wait, Ziebura's dates don't match Wikipedia's. According to Ziebura, she was 12 in 1764 (cahn, FW2 was 19), but according to Wikipedia, she was born December 29, 1753, so in 1764, she'd be 10.
Ziebura says she became his lover in 1766, at which point she would have been 14 according to Ziebura and 12 according to Wikipedia, and then official mistress in 1769, when she was 15 (and he was 24).
* Do I have this right?
Kalckreuth drops onto his knee and grabs Mina's hand just as his conspirator makes sure to lead Heinrich in. One of Mina's ladies was like, "It's not what it looks like! He was asking her permission to marry me!" Heinrich was like, "Dammit. I could have gotten a divorce. Okay, but now you have to marry her, Kalckreuth." Now loyal friend of Mina Fräulein von Morrien gets stuck married to jerk!Kalckreuth, living in East Prussia and dying in childbed a year later??
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. :/
I'm sorry, Fräulein von Morrien!
Oof, looking at the dates, Ziebura says she was 12 years older than Kalckreuth, which means she was...41/42 when giving birth. I can see where that might have been an especially rough birth.
...Next time just punch him in the nose until he bleeds.
Wilhelmine Enke: Wiki doesn't agree with each other. German wiki names 1752 as her year of birth. The famous novel about her has her twelve when she meets future FW2, so presumably it draws on the same source Ziebura does for the birth date, which isn't wiki. (With 1769 named as the year the relationship turned sexual.) Either way, yes, she was young! Now, given all the other mistresses FW2 had were older, and given the relationship with her lasted a life time, I don't think he was into pubescent girls per se, but it makes it doubly infuriating that the Prussian media - and certainly Sophie von Voss - painted her as the evil seductress.
I'm sorry, Fräulein von Morrien!
So am I. The daughter she had with Kalckreuth was called Wilhelmine, after Mina, I assume. The son who get the memoirs dictated to and is all "my Dad: so misunderstood!" in the introduction was from a second marriage.
Wilhelmine Enke: Wiki doesn't agree with each other. German wiki names 1752 as her year of birth.
*facepalm*
One day, I will learn to countercheck German wiki! (Probably around the time I can read it without help, which we're getting closer to, woohoo.)
Now, given all the other mistresses FW2 had were older, and given the relationship with her lasted a life time, I don't think he was into pubescent girls per se, but it makes it doubly infuriating that the Prussian media - and certainly Sophie von Voss - painted her as the evil seductress.
Always blame the woman! I like Ziebura calling out "pious Louise" for not having a word to say about the 'sins' of her son, when Louise is going on about Elisabeth and how properly repentant she is.
it doesn't matter whether AW's posthumous debts are paid a few months earlier or a few months later.
Evidently, when she died 22 years later, her estate was used to pay off his still outstanding debts.
Wasn't Fritz still paying off 1730s debts in the 1760s? *searches* Yeah, to Joseph Wenzel, Prince of Liechtenstein, previous owner of the Antinous statue.
-man, I'm glad that Fritz was nice to Louise. Sigh.
-"Louise Amalie could sense from her own experience what [Mina] was feeling. She forgot her resentment and was friendly towards her." Aw Louise, you really are the best.
-"With regard to his successor, the king asked himself the worried question: \"How can a being who cannot control himself be able to control others?" ("Sire! Half the earth obeys you: are you yourself then, in your vast States, the only person you cannot keep in check?" --mildred, this is something Rodrigo says to Philip in Don Carlo :) )
she later remarked to her loyal friend, Count Lehndorff, that in all the years of their marriage they had only had eight happy days at most.
This is going to be a continual theme, but HEINRICH. YOU ARE THE WORST. I'm glad she had some friends, and that Amalie and EC and Louise and Fritz still liked her after the whole Kalckreuth thing *sigh*
Fritz: Well, I mean, I also got to tick off Heinrich. Win-win!
Lehndorff blamed Kalckreuth for all these twists and turns at the Rheinsberg court and accused the princess and her ladies of having followed his bad advice.
While I don't disagree, this is... definitely very much in character for Lehndorff *pats his head*
Friedrich wrote to his sister Ulrike von Schweden on June 10, 1767: [AW's son] was his father's image, he possessed all his good qualities without having his faults.
I know you guys have told me about this letter before, but IT IS STILL INFURIATING!
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Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-16 01:29 pm (UTC)...Maybe it matters to the people who are getting paid? The economy's pretty shaky for all of you.
* Wait, Wilhelmine Encke was 12 when FW2 fell in love with her?? Also, wait, Ziebura's dates don't match Wikipedia's. According to Ziebura, she was 12 in 1764 (
Ziebura says she became his lover in 1766, at which point she would have been 14 according to Ziebura and 12 according to Wikipedia, and then official mistress in 1769, when she was 15 (and he was 24).
* Do I have this right?
Kalckreuth drops onto his knee and grabs Mina's hand just as his conspirator makes sure to lead Heinrich in. One of Mina's ladies was like, "It's not what it looks like! He was asking her permission to marry me!" Heinrich was like, "Dammit. I could have gotten a divorce. Okay, but now you have to marry her, Kalckreuth." Now loyal friend of Mina Fräulein von Morrien gets stuck married to jerk!Kalckreuth, living in East Prussia and dying in childbed a year later??
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. :/
I'm sorry, Fräulein von Morrien!
Oof, looking at the dates, Ziebura says she was 12 years older than Kalckreuth, which means she was...41/42 when giving birth. I can see where that might have been an especially rough birth.
...Next time just punch him in the nose until he bleeds.
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-16 02:51 pm (UTC)I'm sorry, Fräulein von Morrien!
So am I. The daughter she had with Kalckreuth was called Wilhelmine, after Mina, I assume. The son who get the memoirs dictated to and is all "my Dad: so misunderstood!" in the introduction was from a second marriage.
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-18 01:04 am (UTC)*facepalm*
One day, I will learn to countercheck German wiki! (Probably around the time I can read it without help, which we're getting closer to, woohoo.)
Now, given all the other mistresses FW2 had were older, and given the relationship with her lasted a life time, I don't think he was into pubescent girls per se, but it makes it doubly infuriating that the Prussian media - and certainly Sophie von Voss - painted her as the evil seductress.
Always blame the woman! I like Ziebura calling out "pious Louise" for not having a word to say about the 'sins' of her son, when Louise is going on about Elisabeth and how properly repentant she is.
Argh.
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-19 04:53 am (UTC)So am I.
Me too :( That was a terrible story! Why does real life not conform to better storytelling conventions >:(
Maybe she at least got some good sex, Kalckreuth being hot and all? But still this all sucks.
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-19 01:42 am (UTC)Evidently, when she died 22 years later, her estate was used to pay off his still outstanding debts.
Wasn't Fritz still paying off 1730s debts in the 1760s? *searches* Yeah, to Joseph Wenzel, Prince of Liechtenstein, previous owner of the Antinous statue.
Lol, you guys.
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough (cont) - post Seven Years' War
Date: 2020-09-19 05:14 am (UTC)-"Louise Amalie could sense from her own experience what [Mina] was feeling. She forgot her resentment and was friendly towards her." Aw Louise, you really are the best.
-"With regard to his successor, the king asked himself the worried question: \"How can a being who cannot control himself be able to control others?"
("Sire! Half the earth obeys you:
are you yourself then, in your vast States,
the only person you cannot keep in check?"
--mildred, this is something Rodrigo says to Philip in Don Carlo :) )
she later remarked to her loyal friend, Count Lehndorff, that in all the years of their marriage they had only had eight happy days at most.
This is going to be a continual theme, but HEINRICH. YOU ARE THE WORST. I'm glad she had some friends, and that Amalie and EC and Louise and Fritz still liked her after the whole Kalckreuth thing *sigh*
Fritz: Well, I mean, I also got to tick off Heinrich. Win-win!
Lehndorff blamed Kalckreuth for all these twists and turns at the Rheinsberg court and accused the princess and her ladies of having followed his bad advice.
While I don't disagree, this is... definitely very much in character for Lehndorff *pats his head*
Friedrich wrote to his sister Ulrike von Schweden on June 10, 1767: [AW's son] was his father's image, he possessed all his good qualities without having his faults.
I know you guys have told me about this letter before, but IT IS STILL INFURIATING!