I think that gets everyone in we want. (Honestly I will probably just end up requesting Heinrich for plausible gaming away from me and giving prompts for a bunch of other people :P )
Enlightenment, hadn't we settled on selenak: Émilie, Voltaire, Madame de Pompadour, Madame Denis cahn: Richelieu, Maupertuis, Lady Mary, Algarotti.
Um. You had probably better give me the precise names of these people because otherwise I might nominate the wrong Richelieu or something similar :PP
I'm assuming we won't have to do another evidence post for Frederician RPF, since it was allowed last year, but we might have to do one for Enlightenment?
Also, we might have to be careful with Voltaire, lest the mods decide to make the two fandoms one because he's in both, which would limit the number of characters for us. Since I think he's very likely to show up in Enlightenment fic anyway, if someone writes it, whether he's nominated or not, I therefore propose switching him out with Hervey, i.e. I'll nominate Émilie, Hervey, Pompadour and Denis.
Your guys: Algarotti already has a tag on A03, so shouldn't be a problem. Lady Mary is Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu (not Montague!), Maupertuis is Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis, and the correct Richelieu is Armand de Vignerot du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu. Here you need to be careful as Richelieu the Cardinal is Armand du Plessis, who has his own tag, and Enlightenment Richelieu does not have his own tag. So maybe after the name add the life dates (1696 – 1788) to make it crystal clear this is a new character and not the Cardinal.
I'm assuming we won't have to do another evidence post for Frederician RPF, since it was allowed last year, but we might have to do one for Enlightenment?
Judging by the comment on this year's rules post, "If it was further back than last year, you might save us some time by linking to the comment again," no, since ours was last year. We might consider linking anyway, though?
Also, we might have to be careful with Voltaire, lest the mods decide to make the two fandoms one because he's in both, which would limit the number of characters for us.
Agree completely, and good catch!
the correct Richelieu is Armand de Vignerot du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu
Also, I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall the tag wranglers like to avoid royal/noble titles (though apparently regnal numbers are okay?), so by analogy with Cardinal Richelieu's tag, Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu, ours would be Armand de Vignerot du Plessis de Richelieu (1696-1788).
Yeah, I think we should do an evidence post for Enlightenment, in particular why we think it's *distinct* from Frederician RPF. Then we can also link to last year's post, in case they have any questions -- but they probably won't, as morbane is my DW friend and will remember having seen it :)
(I'm a little out of my depth here, so I'd ideally like one of you guys to at least write a rough draft, though if you want me to I'll take a stab.)
OK, thanks! Knowing the names is very helpful :) Oh, and this reminds me -- in the evidence post we should probably also mention that this Richelieu is not Armand du Plessis, in case others are as confused as I am :)
Possible issue with the fandom: The era overlaps with 18th Century Frederician fandom in terms of dates.
Why this fandom should be considered eligible: While the Frederician fandom focuses on a cast strongly connected to Friedrich II. of Prussia, "European Enlightenment" stands for an international cast of scientists, philosophers, writers and society people, most of whom don't have a connection to Friedrich, whose dynamics with each other we want to explore. If we nominate someone like Émilie du Chatelet or Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu, we want the focus to be on them as protagonists of the European Enlightenment in their own right. Morever, knowledge of them does not require knowledge of Prussian history, which, by contrast, is very important in the Frederician fandom.
Also, as a character note: we are nominating Armand de Vignerot du Plessis (1696-1788), Duc de Richelieu, who does not currently have a tag on AO3. Note that he is distinct from the more famous Cardinal Richelieu, Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu (1585-1642).
I think that gets everyone in we want. (Honestly I will probably just end up requesting Heinrich for plausible gaming away from me and giving prompts for a bunch of other people :P )
How, um--asking for a friend--how do you feel about "Just how spectacular in bed is Kaphengst, anyway?" as a gift? :P Or, more accurately and less tongue-in-cheek: "Heinrich/Kaphengst, the ways in which it worked and the ways in which it didn't." If it's not what you'd want for a gift, how would you feel about it as a treat?
selenak, which characters are you planning to request?
I'll give some prompts - Heinrich/Lehndorff or Heinrich & Lehndorff would be equally welcome, Amalie: how she managed to remain single (instead of Fritz marrying her off), or giving her a heart-to-heart with Wilhelmine as the two non-fans of SD in the family, and while I'm ready to write about Heinrich and his childhood friend myself, I'd also welcome a story about them.
Mind you, a story about the legendary Straßburg trip would be GREAT, but then I'd have to request Fritz, Fredersdorf, Algarotti (who isn't among the Fredericians this year) and AW (who isn't, either), and that's a very specific promt. No other combination of these characters is in another prompt I can think of.
Hmm. Would you consider requesting AW instead of one of those 4? I'm more likely to produce Heinrich & AW brother feels fic than Sophie/Catherine fic (due to not having read anything about her recently). And then, assuming you specify OR in your request, the Strasbourg fic would count because of AW, and in fact you could prompt for the Strasbourg trip.
Alternatively, there's always Madness, but I'm much more likely to offer the characters I need to in order to get assigned as your writer if I don't have to offer Sophie/Catherine and risk being assigned someone who requested only Catherine the Great. #GamingTheSystem
If you want to request AW, I'm willing to nominate him instead of Suhm. As much as I love Suhm, no one but you is going to write him for me, and you've already hinted that you're leaning toward Keith/Algarotti, which would more than delight my heart. And there's always Madness if Suhm inspiration strikes.
Okay, you‘ve convinced me - I‘ll request AW instead of you nominate him, and if the Straßburg trip doesn‘t work out, a brotherly feels story would be a very fine prize indeed.
I'll nominate Katte, Keith, Fredersdorf, and AW, I'll request the first three, and I'll poke the muses in the direction of Strasbourg when it comes time to write. After all, cahn's Fredersdorf Christmas 1732 crackfic was very inspirational, and you did write that AW secret diary crackfic for the trip to Strasbourg!
And then we will all be very surprised and not know who could have written the Strasbourg fic in the archive :DD
Lol, I deleted a line from my comment that said, "And then we'll all pretend for a week that we don't know who wrote what, which is always my least favorite part." :P
(Of course, we all were surprised by Christmas 1732, none of us expected three fics on it!)
The surprise I don't mind, it's the faking afterwards. But never mind! I'll see what I can do about signing up. :D
And yes, 3 fics incorporating Christmas 1732 was unexpectedly amazing.
Would rather not for gift, sounds great for a treat! :D
If selenak is requesting Heinrich, I might see about requesting someone else as well (maybe Voltaire and/or Fritz), just so it is possible to game for either of us. (Because I'm not sure that I'm requesting anything you want to write, lol.) I thiiiink I'm gonna say in my letter basically that for gift, I want Heinrich being awesomely competent as part of my gift, would like at least a mention of Fritz and Voltaire but they don't have to show up in person. Heinrich does NOT need to be the main character, he just has to be in the story in some capacity.
Prompts I want, off the top of my head: -The AU where Fritz gets captured and Voltaire has to rescue him, and Heinrich is regent (please? :D ) -Heinrich and Sophie/Catherine: anything either canon or AU; I have a special fondness for the AU where they end up married, with the caveat that they can't hate each other and Heinrich can't punch down, but if they are continually involved in conspiracies to kill each other, so much the better -The AU where Fritz becomes king of England, then what happens with the Revolutionary War?? and does Heinrich go over to the colonies????
But for treats anything that even vaguely fits in this fandom goes, with or without Heinrich, with or without nominated characters. Heinrich/Kaphengst would be great! And if you don't end up signing up, and no one else requests it, I will also prompt Fritz/Katte so that anyone who wants to write it can :)
-The AU where Fritz gets captured and Voltaire has to rescue him, and Heinrich is regent (please? :D )
Gonna leave this one to the redoutable selenak. :D
I have a special fondness for the AU where they end up married, with the caveat that they can't hate each other and Heinrich can't punch down, but if they are continually involved in conspiracies to kill each other, so much the better
Oh, damn. See, I've been toying with the idea of writing this one, but I'm going to end up hating it after the fact if I have the chance to research Catherine later on and discover she's completely OOC in my fic and/or I missed the chance to do something obviously awesome. And my chances of researching her in time to write an AU for Yuletide are slim.
But one day maybe!
-The AU where Fritz becomes king of England, then what happens with the Revolutionary War?? and does Heinrich go over to the colonies????
Not feeling this one, but that can change. ;)
Heinrich advises AW as the power behind the throne in my "Fritz escapes to France" fix-it-fic universe?
Oh, damn. See, I've been toying with the idea of writing this one, but I'm going to end up hating it after the fact if I have the chance to research Catherine later on and discover she's completely OOC in my fic and/or I missed the chance to do something obviously awesome. And my chances of researching her in time to write an AU for Yuletide are slim.
Eh, it doesn't have to be for this Yuletide! :D I am happy to continue prompting it :DD
Heinrich advises AW as the power behind the throne in my "Fritz escapes to France" fix-it-fic universe?
This totally counts as "Heinrich gets to be competent, does not have to be main character" :DD
How do you two feel about keeping a running list of ideas/prompts, not specific to an exchange, that we're especially excited about? Because I feel like I find things out at exchanges that I wish I had known before. We discuss a lot of ideas, but I would not have guessed, say, that selenak was particularly interested in Keith/Lehndorff, or the Strasbourg trip. And so forth. Would there be any interest in keeping a list of your favorite ideas up to date?
And on another fanfic-related note, I've also been thinking for a while, and cahn suggested it around that time too, that we might want to organize the snippets and plot outlines we have written. Does anyone have any thoughts on what they'd like to see done with these? Or, conversely, anything you *don't* want to happen, like, idk, posting a snippet on AO3 if you're planning on turning it into a real fic?
I'm thinking about putting them in rheinsberg posts, tagged, and then we can refer back to them if we choose to develop them, or just reread them for fun. And if they do turn into real fics, like Fredersdorf's diary, we can link from the Rheinsberg snippet to the AO3 fic(s).
It would also be useful for things like prompting, as you could go through the tag and go, "Oh, yeah, that one! I want that one."
I'm very happy about a list of ideas! A document in the library, I guess? I feel like at Yuletide I've been like, "...what were those fic ideas I wanted again??" and I am sure there are several I'm just totally forgetting.
I was thinking about the possibility of putting the fic snippets on AO3 itself so that other people could read them :) (Oh come on, doesn't everyone want to read the outline of Fritz/Joseph marriagefic? OF COURSE THEY DO.) I was thinking maybe just one AO3 work, with each different snippet as a different chapter. Rheinsberg would work too, of course.
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Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 04:45 am (UTC)Selenak: Lendorff, Fritz, MT, Voltaire
Mildred: Keith, Katte, Suhm, Fredersdorf
Cahn: Heinrich, Amalie, Sophie/Catherine, Wilhelmine.
I think that gets everyone in we want. (Honestly I will probably just end up requesting Heinrich for plausible gaming away from me and giving prompts for a bunch of other people :P )
Enlightenment, hadn't we settled on
selenak: Émilie, Voltaire, Madame de Pompadour, Madame Denis
cahn: Richelieu, Maupertuis, Lady Mary, Algarotti.
Um. You had probably better give me the precise names of these people because otherwise I might nominate the wrong Richelieu or something similar :PP
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 05:44 am (UTC)Also, we might have to be careful with Voltaire, lest the mods decide to make the two fandoms one because he's in both, which would limit the number of characters for us. Since I think he's very likely to show up in Enlightenment fic anyway, if someone writes it, whether he's nominated or not, I therefore propose switching him out with Hervey, i.e. I'll nominate Émilie, Hervey, Pompadour and Denis.
Your guys: Algarotti already has a tag on A03, so shouldn't be a problem. Lady Mary is Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu (not Montague!), Maupertuis is Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis, and the correct Richelieu is Armand de Vignerot du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu. Here you need to be careful as Richelieu the Cardinal is Armand du Plessis, who has his own tag, and Enlightenment Richelieu does not have his own tag. So maybe after the name add the life dates (1696 – 1788) to make it crystal clear this is a new character and not the Cardinal.
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 02:43 pm (UTC)Judging by the comment on this year's rules post, "If it was further back than last year, you might save us some time by linking to the comment again," no, since ours was last year. We might consider linking anyway, though?
Also, we might have to be careful with Voltaire, lest the mods decide to make the two fandoms one because he's in both, which would limit the number of characters for us.
Agree completely, and good catch!
the correct Richelieu is Armand de Vignerot du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu
Also, I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall the tag wranglers like to avoid royal/noble titles (though apparently regnal numbers are okay?), so by analogy with Cardinal Richelieu's tag, Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu, ours would be Armand de Vignerot du Plessis de Richelieu (1696-1788).
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 08:23 pm (UTC)(I'm a little out of my depth here, so I'd ideally like one of you guys to at least write a rough draft, though if you want me to I'll take a stab.)
OK, thanks! Knowing the names is very helpful :) Oh, and this reminds me -- in the evidence post we should probably also mention that this Richelieu is not Armand du Plessis, in case others are as confused as I am :)
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 01:36 pm (UTC)Can you link us to the Frederican justification from last year, if you can find it, so we can use it as a model for the Enlightenment one?
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 01:49 pm (UTC)Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 02:04 pm (UTC)Fandom: 18th Century European Enlightenment
Possible issue with the fandom: The era overlaps with 18th Century Frederician fandom in terms of dates.
Why this fandom should be considered eligible: While the Frederician fandom focuses on a cast strongly connected to Friedrich II. of Prussia, "European Enlightenment" stands for an international cast of scientists, philosophers, writers and society people, most of whom don't have a connection to Friedrich, whose dynamics with each other we want to explore. If we nominate someone like Émilie du Chatelet or Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu, we want the focus to be on them as protagonists of the European Enlightenment in their own right. Morever, knowledge of them does not require knowledge of Prussian history, which, by contrast, is very important in the Frederician fandom.
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 04:24 pm (UTC)Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 04:54 pm (UTC)Also, as a character note: we are nominating Armand de Vignerot du Plessis (1696-1788), Duc de Richelieu, who does not currently have a tag on AO3. Note that he is distinct from the more famous Cardinal Richelieu, Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu (1585-1642).
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 02:51 pm (UTC)How, um--asking for a friend--how do you feel about "Just how spectacular in bed is Kaphengst, anyway?" as a gift? :P Or, more accurately and less tongue-in-cheek: "Heinrich/Kaphengst, the ways in which it worked and the ways in which it didn't." If it's not what you'd want for a gift, how would you feel about it as a treat?
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 03:28 pm (UTC)I'll give some prompts - Heinrich/Lehndorff or Heinrich & Lehndorff would be equally welcome, Amalie: how she managed to remain single (instead of Fritz marrying her off), or giving her a heart-to-heart with Wilhelmine as the two non-fans of SD in the family, and while I'm ready to write about Heinrich and his childhood friend myself, I'd also welcome a story about them.
Mind you, a story about the legendary Straßburg trip would be GREAT, but then I'd have to request Fritz, Fredersdorf, Algarotti (who isn't among the Fredericians this year) and AW (who isn't, either), and that's a very specific promt. No other combination of these characters is in another prompt I can think of.
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 07:13 pm (UTC)Alternatively, there's always Madness, but I'm much more likely to offer the characters I need to in order to get assigned as your writer if I don't have to offer Sophie/Catherine and risk being assigned someone who requested only Catherine the Great. #GamingTheSystem
If you want to request AW, I'm willing to nominate him instead of Suhm. As much as I love Suhm, no one but you is going to write him for me, and you've already hinted that you're leaning toward Keith/Algarotti, which would more than delight my heart. And there's always Madness if Suhm inspiration strikes.
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 07:48 pm (UTC)Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 07:58 pm (UTC)I'll nominate Katte, Keith, Fredersdorf, and AW, I'll request the first three, and I'll poke the muses in the direction of Strasbourg when it comes time to write. After all,
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 08:53 pm (UTC)(Of course, we all were surprised by Christmas 1732, none of us expected three fics on it!)
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 08:57 pm (UTC)Lol, I deleted a line from my comment that said, "And then we'll all pretend for a week that we don't know who wrote what, which is always my least favorite part." :P
(Of course, we all were surprised by Christmas 1732, none of us expected three fics on it!)
The surprise I don't mind, it's the faking afterwards. But never mind! I'll see what I can do about signing up. :D
And yes, 3 fics incorporating Christmas 1732 was unexpectedly amazing.
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 08:47 pm (UTC)If
Prompts I want, off the top of my head:
-The AU where Fritz gets captured and Voltaire has to rescue him, and Heinrich is regent (please? :D )
-Heinrich and Sophie/Catherine: anything either canon or AU; I have a special fondness for the AU where they end up married, with the caveat that they can't hate each other and Heinrich can't punch down, but if they are continually involved in conspiracies to kill each other, so much the better
-The AU where Fritz becomes king of England, then what happens with the Revolutionary War?? and does Heinrich go over to the colonies????
But for treats anything that even vaguely fits in this fandom goes, with or without Heinrich, with or without nominated characters. Heinrich/Kaphengst would be great! And if you don't end up signing up, and no one else requests it, I will also prompt Fritz/Katte so that anyone who wants to write it can :)
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-13 09:11 pm (UTC)Gonna leave this one to the redoutable
I have a special fondness for the AU where they end up married, with the caveat that they can't hate each other and Heinrich can't punch down, but if they are continually involved in conspiracies to kill each other, so much the better
Oh, damn. See, I've been toying with the idea of writing this one, but I'm going to end up hating it after the fact if I have the chance to research Catherine later on and discover she's completely OOC in my fic and/or I missed the chance to do something obviously awesome. And my chances of researching her in time to write an AU for Yuletide are slim.
But one day maybe!
-The AU where Fritz becomes king of England, then what happens with the Revolutionary War?? and does Heinrich go over to the colonies????
Not feeling this one, but that can change. ;)
Heinrich advises AW as the power behind the throne in my "Fritz escapes to France" fix-it-fic universe?
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-14 04:56 pm (UTC)Eh, it doesn't have to be for this Yuletide! :D I am happy to continue prompting it :DD
Heinrich advises AW as the power behind the throne in my "Fritz escapes to France" fix-it-fic universe?
This totally counts as "Heinrich gets to be competent, does not have to be main character" :DD
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-15 01:44 am (UTC)I am happy to continue prompting it :DD
How do you two feel about keeping a running list of ideas/prompts, not specific to an exchange, that we're especially excited about? Because I feel like I find things out at exchanges that I wish I had known before. We discuss a lot of ideas, but I would not have guessed, say, that
And on another fanfic-related note, I've also been thinking for a while, and
I'm thinking about putting them in
It would also be useful for things like prompting, as you could go through the tag and go, "Oh, yeah, that one! I want that one."
Thoughts?
Re: Yuletide Nominations, Redux
Date: 2020-09-15 04:19 am (UTC)I was thinking about the possibility of putting the fic snippets on AO3 itself so that other people could read them :) (Oh come on, doesn't everyone want to read the outline of Fritz/Joseph marriagefic? OF COURSE THEY DO.) I was thinking maybe just one AO3 work, with each different snippet as a different chapter. Rheinsberg would work too, of course.