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So, three years ago I read Schiller's Don Carlos (in Boylan's translation) and wrote a long post about it, concluding that I didn't think it was All That. At this point [personal profile] selenak found the post, and I will always be very grateful to her for being extremely kind and gracious to Brash Illiterate American Who Was Wrong On The Internet. Not only did she not yell at me (which, let's be clear, she would have been within her rights to do, I was being kind of an awful illiterate American), she was a fount of knowledge about it all (not least by pointing out to me that Schiller might have had Fritz and Katte in mind, thus eventually leading to almost two years and counting now of amazing Frederick the Great history, but I digress). Anyway, besides that, it became very clear to me (not said in those words, because have I mentioned selenak is super nice?) that I was a total idiot for having an opinion on a play without ever having seen the play performed. That would be like having an opinion on an opera while just looking at the score! (Totally a thing I'd do, haha, I am All About Being Opinionated, but it would also be stupid.)

Now I have finally watched it! It's this one, which appears to be the only one available on Amazon US (there's another non-regie one available via amazon.de which I may spring for at some point...). I lurked around for more than two years waiting for one to show up on amazon, and then when [personal profile] selenak and [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard found this one for me and I bought it in January, I was in the tail end of not being able to watch video at all, so it took me half a year to get around to it even then. In the meantime I'd learned a very very small bit of German, and I'm glad I waited until I had that, at least, because it would have been way harder to watch back when I had no German.

Anyway, if I hadn't already apologized profusely to [personal profile] selenak I'd be doing so now, because this play is fantastic. The production was great in many ways (though odd in others). It's a regie production -- the characters roam around what looks like a maze of (empty or almost-empty) glass-windowed cubicles (some of which have more furniture, etc.) which brings out the claustrophobic and restrictive nature of the court. I was actually actively looking for a regie production because I often find that those, when done well, bring out and sharpen the themes and characters and relationships -- although the flip side is that they often bring out subtext that the author may not have primarily intended.

But yeah, this really hit me hard.

lots of random thoughts about it-- with a few screenshots! )

In conclusion: still don't exactly regret super mischaracterizing Schiller, because the consequences have been so awesome, but rather even more embarrassed about it now :)
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[personal profile] iberiandoctor made the mistake of asking me what I thought of Schiller's Don Carlos (I read the Gutenberg translation available here (all quotes are from here), and, well, here we are. Surprising no one, I have Lots of Thoughts about it. I guess my takeaway is that I liked the play a lot and would LOVE to see it performed; on the other hand, there's a reason the opera is the version everyone remembers and the play isn't. [eta 7-5-18, wow, now that I reread that it sounds terrible, and anyway [personal profile] selenak has a very different viewpoint in comments -- and also I should actually see the play.] The play is a lot more complicated plot-wise, with a mad plethora of secret letters and conspiracies against other characters, and also a lot more complicated character-wise, especially in regards to the Marquis of Posa (honestly the entire play should probably have been called The Tragedy of the Marquis of Posa, but we'll get to that). The opera, on the other hand, distills all these secrets and conspiracies and complex characters down into more fundamental emotional truths, it seems to me, and there's a deep sympathy for all the characters which is sort of present in embryonic form in the play but isn't brought out quite as clearly. Being me I'm going to focus on the character differences, bringing the plot in when it's relevant to character (which is a lot, actually). I think this will make sense if you are familiar with the opera, and might not if you're not (since I don't discuss the plot in chronological order).

In which I expand on this at (really) great length. )

In conclusion: a totally decent play, and as plays are, certainly more complex and interesting than the opera in many ways, and I would go see it in a hot second if I ever had a chance, but the opera takes something that's good and intensifies everything SO MUCH into something amazing <3 [haha, lol, past me, it would have been much more accurate and extremely less obnoxious to say that the opera speaks way more to my id; both play and opera are amazing in different ways!]

(1) So I watched 2+ entire Don Carlos without understanding why Posa takes Carlos' papers early in Act III, clearly with the idea in mind to use them to frame himself, but then doesn't actually make the final decision to use them until the quartet scene in Act IV, which is quite a bit later. (Doylistically, it's because the whole papers subplot in Schiller is cut and replaced by the auto-da-fe, so there's no room to mention them until then.) I thought -- and I still think this could be part of it, mind you -- that it was because Philip had finally gone too far in that scene, thus his determination to die after he speaks sternly to Philip. While writing this, it occurred to me that a) one reason could be that he just doesn't want them to be found on Carlo if he does something dumb, which, uh, yeah, it would certainly be a much shorter opera if Carlo had had them at the auto-da-fe; and b) (and I think this is the actual reason) he's waiting to see whether Eboli actually does accuse Carlo and Elisabetta or whether Filippo decides to execute Carlo -- if neither of these things happen, then maybe he doesn't need to move on that plan -- but when he sees what has happened in the quartet scene he knows that he has to do it.

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