Still going! Still clearing Fritz's valet/chamberlain Fredersdorf's name from the calumny enshrined in wikipedia that he was dismissed for financial irregularities!
Mildred, I’ve guessed “Bedenken” (concerns) for your transcription of “Gedenken” (Renembrance).
That's also how I was mentally translating it, but what he's written is "Gedenken." There's no possibility of confusing "G" and "B" in this handwriting. (Which is not to say I couldn't have typoed it, so you were right to ask, but now that I'm double checking, I can confirm that it is in fact "Gedenken".)
Also, I pondered a lot about “Kiss”, and have now speculated it might be “Konkurs”.
So this is an interesting one! It's either "Kiss" or "Riss" (remember that if there's a consistent difference between "K" and "R", I haven't figured it out). I went back and forth and researched both before deciding on "Kiss", because I got one google hit for "für den Kiss stehen," from Die Leipziger Mundart: Grammatik und Wörterbuch der Leipziger Volkssprache, 1881. I figured if it was a saying, you would know.
However, since you do not recognize it, I have dug a little deeper, and that is an OCRed text that I was getting in Google. The unsearchable pdf facsimile of the page shows that it is in fact "für den Riss stehen" in the original.
It's listed under the entry "Schwang", which reads:
Schwang: für den Schwang halten, die Gefahr abwenden, aufhalten; Eg. ähnlich „für den Riss stehen“.
I also get a few archaic hits for "für den Riss stehen" now that I'm searching again; I think maybe I didn't search that specific string once I got a hit for "für den Kiss stehen". I'm even seeing it come up in connection with bill-paying.
I can’t make heads or tails of the last sentence following this one except for gessing “SaupontXXation” might be “Satisfaction”, i.e. maybe Leining isn’t sure yet Anderson’s service (to Fritz) will give satisfaction this time? But that’s really just speculation.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting much. I'll see what I can do once I come back around to this (rn I'm pushing ahead for new goodies, like today's poor deteriorating Fredersdorf. :().
Meanwhile, I suspect (with the benefit of hindsight and the ticking clock) that Fredersdorf’s physical health has continued to deterioate, and that’s precisely why he didn’t mention it in his letters. Fritz is at war, Leining is going through his job baptism of fire, neither of them will feel calmer if Frederdorf tells him, yes, still falling apart, still looks like I’m dying.
The latest installment shows that you are correct. :(
Before I saw it, I had a similar reaction to yours. I first thought, "Fredersdorf should give Fritz reassurance, he knows how Fritz is!...Oh, right. He can't actually reassure him, since he is dying."
I am reminded that a number of people I've seen with serious (cancer) or terminal illnesses have complained that they get very little support for their own emotions, and they have to reassure everyone around them and be the strong, cheerful one. Because most people can't handle the fact that the dying person is actually terrified and wants some space to express that and have it heard.
So basically, this situation *sucks*, and there is no right answer. :(((
BUT. At least we're getting more and more conclusive evidence that Fredersdorf stepped down for bad health, stayed in communication with Fritz, and Fritz continued worrying about him.
Schwang: für den Schwang halten, die Gefahr abwenden, aufhalten; Eg. ähnlich „für den Riss stehen“.
I did not know this! You never stop learning. Okay, noted, good to know, especially if it comes up again.
Because most people can't handle the fact that the dying person is actually terrified and wants some space to express that and have it heard.
So basically, this situation *sucks*, and there is no right answer. :(((
BUT. At least we're getting more and more conclusive evidence that Fredersdorf stepped down for bad health, stayed in communication with Fritz, and Fritz continued worrying about him.
There is undeniably that. BTW, this means not only that the „was made to retire because of embezzling“ theory is wrong, but also so was Lehndorff‘s and Henckel von Donnersmarck‘s guess that not the only reason, but definitely factor was „jealousy of Glasow“ (Lehndorff) „Glasow got rid of him“ (Henckel von Donnersmarck). I mean, we were as sure that Fritz didn‘t kick Fredersdorf out for the shiny red Porsche, err, hot young model, as we were hoping he wasn‘t fired for Kiekemal (or Des Champs‘ salary), but it‘s still nice to have it in writing that no, his health was really that bad, he still was trusted, and Fritz still fretted on his his behalf. Even mid war.
I‘m still glad Fredersdorf had Caroline, due to what you wrote about dying people needing to vent their own emotions, too, instead of having to be strong for everyone else all the time. Because according to Achim von Armin‘s write up on his grandmother at least: Illness made the poor man often irritable, but she swore that his general kindness and repentance over each outburst had her always reconciled.
(And then comes Fredersdorf encouraging her to ride so she wouldn‘t have to sit at his sick bed all the time etc.) As we said, it‘s only human not to be the perfect patient, and clearly he felt safe enough for some outbursts while she still generally was happy, not just as a young woman who didn‘t know any better but as an old woman looking back on her long life and experience and still concluding Fredersdorf was the best.
BTW, this means not only that the „was made to retire because of embezzling“ theory is wrong, but also so was Lehndorff‘s and Henckel von Donnersmarck‘s guess that not the only reason, but definitely factor was „jealousy of Glasow“ (Lehndorff) „Glasow got rid of him“ (Henckel von Donnersmarck). I mean, we were as sure that Fritz didn‘t kick Fredersdorf out for the shiny red Porsche, err, hot young model, as we were hoping he wasn‘t fired for Kiekemal (or Des Champs‘ salary), but it‘s still nice to have it in writing that no, his health was really that bad, he still was trusted, and Fritz still fretted on his his behalf. Even mid war.
That's true! This correspondence keeps getting better and better.
(And then comes Fredersdorf encouraging her to ride so she wouldn‘t have to sit at his sick bed all the time etc.) As we said, it‘s only human not to be the perfect patient, and clearly he felt safe enough for some outbursts while she still generally was happy
Yeah. :( but also <3.
not just as a young woman who didn‘t know any better but as an old woman looking back on her long life and experience and still concluding Fredersdorf was the best.
Fredersdorf: favorite husband of both his spouses. :)
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Re: Leining to Fredersdorf: Letter 10, pages 2-3 - Translation
Date: 2023-04-27 11:49 am (UTC)That's also how I was mentally translating it, but what he's written is "Gedenken." There's no possibility of confusing "G" and "B" in this handwriting. (Which is not to say I couldn't have typoed it, so you were right to ask, but now that I'm double checking, I can confirm that it is in fact "Gedenken".)
Also, I pondered a lot about “Kiss”, and have now speculated it might be “Konkurs”.
So this is an interesting one! It's either "Kiss" or "Riss" (remember that if there's a consistent difference between "K" and "R", I haven't figured it out). I went back and forth and researched both before deciding on "Kiss", because I got one google hit for "für den Kiss stehen," from Die Leipziger Mundart: Grammatik und Wörterbuch der Leipziger Volkssprache, 1881. I figured if it was a saying, you would know.
However, since you do not recognize it, I have dug a little deeper, and that is an OCRed text that I was getting in Google. The unsearchable pdf facsimile of the page shows that it is in fact "für den Riss stehen" in the original.
It's listed under the entry "Schwang", which reads:
Schwang: für den Schwang halten, die Gefahr abwenden, aufhalten; Eg. ähnlich „für den Riss stehen“.
I also get a few archaic hits for "für den Riss stehen" now that I'm searching again; I think maybe I didn't search that specific string once I got a hit for "für den Kiss stehen". I'm even seeing it come up in connection with bill-paying.
I can’t make heads or tails of the last sentence following this one except for gessing “SaupontXXation” might be “Satisfaction”, i.e. maybe Leining isn’t sure yet Anderson’s service (to Fritz) will give satisfaction this time? But that’s really just speculation.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting much. I'll see what I can do once I come back around to this (rn I'm pushing ahead for new goodies, like today's poor deteriorating Fredersdorf. :().
Meanwhile, I suspect (with the benefit of hindsight and the ticking clock) that Fredersdorf’s physical health has continued to deterioate, and that’s precisely why he didn’t mention it in his letters. Fritz is at war, Leining is going through his job baptism of fire, neither of them will feel calmer if Frederdorf tells him, yes, still falling apart, still looks like I’m dying.
The latest installment shows that you are correct. :(
Before I saw it, I had a similar reaction to yours. I first thought, "Fredersdorf should give Fritz reassurance, he knows how Fritz is!...Oh, right. He can't actually reassure him, since he is dying."
I am reminded that a number of people I've seen with serious (cancer) or terminal illnesses have complained that they get very little support for their own emotions, and they have to reassure everyone around them and be the strong, cheerful one. Because most people can't handle the fact that the dying person is actually terrified and wants some space to express that and have it heard.
So basically, this situation *sucks*, and there is no right answer. :(((
BUT. At least we're getting more and more conclusive evidence that Fredersdorf stepped down for bad health, stayed in communication with Fritz, and Fritz continued worrying about him.
Re: Leining to Fredersdorf: Letter 10, pages 2-3 - Translation
Date: 2023-04-27 03:37 pm (UTC)I did not know this! You never stop learning. Okay, noted, good to know, especially if it comes up again.
Because most people can't handle the fact that the dying person is actually terrified and wants some space to express that and have it heard.
So basically, this situation *sucks*, and there is no right answer. :(((
BUT. At least we're getting more and more conclusive evidence that Fredersdorf stepped down for bad health, stayed in communication with Fritz, and Fritz continued worrying about him.
There is undeniably that. BTW, this means not only that the „was made to retire because of embezzling“ theory is wrong, but also so was Lehndorff‘s and Henckel von Donnersmarck‘s guess that not the only reason, but definitely factor was „jealousy of Glasow“ (Lehndorff) „Glasow got rid of him“ (Henckel von Donnersmarck). I mean, we were as sure that Fritz didn‘t kick Fredersdorf out for the shiny red Porsche, err, hot young model, as we were hoping he wasn‘t fired for Kiekemal (or Des Champs‘ salary), but it‘s still nice to have it in writing that no, his health was really that bad, he still was trusted, and Fritz still fretted on his his behalf. Even mid war.
I‘m still glad Fredersdorf had Caroline, due to what you wrote about dying people needing to vent their own emotions, too, instead of having to be strong for everyone else all the time. Because according to Achim von Armin‘s write up on his grandmother at least: Illness made the poor man often irritable, but she swore that his general kindness and repentance over each outburst had her always reconciled.
(And then comes Fredersdorf encouraging her to ride so she wouldn‘t have to sit at his sick bed all the time etc.) As we said, it‘s only human not to be the perfect patient, and clearly he felt safe enough for some outbursts while she still generally was happy, not just as a young woman who didn‘t know any better but as an old woman looking back on her long life and experience and still concluding Fredersdorf was the best.
Re: Leining to Fredersdorf: Letter 10, pages 2-3 - Translation
Date: 2023-04-27 09:43 pm (UTC)That's true! This correspondence keeps getting better and better.
(And then comes Fredersdorf encouraging her to ride so she wouldn‘t have to sit at his sick bed all the time etc.) As we said, it‘s only human not to be the perfect patient, and clearly he felt safe enough for some outbursts while she still generally was happy
Yeah. :( but also <3.
not just as a young woman who didn‘t know any better but as an old woman looking back on her long life and experience and still concluding Fredersdorf was the best.
Fredersdorf: favorite husband of both his spouses. :)