Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 42

[cahn]

Last post, we had (among other things) Danish kings and their favorites; Louis XIV and Philippe d'Orléans; reviews of a very shippy book about Katte, a bad Jacobite novel, and a great book about clothing; a fic about Émilie du Châtelet and Voltaire; and a review of a set of entertaining Youtube history videos about Frederick the Great.

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Re: Leining to Fredersdorf: Letter 3

[mildred_of_midgard]

Gentze: the potential groom’s last name is Leining, remember

*facepalm*

I gave up on deciphering today for lack of sleep; I really should have given up on typing altogether, clearly. ;)

Anyway, regardless of marriage dates, maybe they're related, in that the Gentzes are civilian civil servants and thus unlikely to be Lt. G---, but one never knows. I can't really read the name.

However, I have heard of this Gentze you linked

The Wikipedia page was long enough that I figured you had! Especially with Metternich featuring prominently.

It is indeed a small Berlin world! Thank you for drawing all the connections.

Deciphering status: about half of letter 4 is deciphered, it seems to be a whole lot of fiscal details, corresponding to this part of the box bill summary:

However, the secretary Gentze, who first worked for Fredersdorf and then for Leining, thought he remembered that at least one of the bills had been paid with funds from the September 1756 coffers. And so the new secret chamberlain turned to the old one with the request "to have the Chatoulle invoices for the month of September: ap [= 1756] looked at, possibly also for the following months, and then to report to me [Leining] what is necessary."

Tomorrow, or as soon as I sleep better, my plan is to figure out how this particular hand makes letters like e, r, n, m, w, i, o, and u, and how to tell them apart, in both French and German, and then use that information to decipher a bunch more of the letter, and then we'll see where we stand.

Anyway, I can already tell it's April 14 and Leining is still asking Fredersdorf about the bills and writing "Ich habe dagegen die Ehre, mit XXXXXX hochachtung," so...SOMEBODY is not in any obvious disgrace, and I think Wegfraß never even found this material.

Btw, I did some archive searching today (easy to do on very little sleep) and turned up "Untersuchung gegen den Kriegsrat Pfeiffer und den Kolonisten-Kommissar Meschker, April 1757, Juli 1759" in the Prussian archives, and I will probably order it in the next round of orders. (Still waiting on my latest round from the order I placed over a month ago--with Peter Keith genealogy and the Groeben letters.)

The Saxon archives are also very ambiguous (at least to a non-native and slow reader of German) about whether you can place orders for copy material, but I found some information that points in the direction of maybe, so at some point when I feel up to reading reams of handwritten French (next year?), I might see if they'll send me Suhm's envoy reports from Berlin.

There are also apparently VOLUMES of investigations against Pfeiffer in the mid 1750s, or at least that's what the Brandenburg State Archive catalogue makes it look like. I may someday decide to find out if *they* make digital copies on request, but we'll see. I'm sticking with the Prussians now, since I already know they make copies, what the process is, that it's affordable*, and that this set of documents is shorter and may contain what we need, without sifting through tons of boring fiscal data that just proves what we already know. I would just love to get a specific archive document that I have looked at myself, i.e. isn't just me relying on Wegfraß and her lack of citations, to back my essay's claim that the encyclopedias are wrong.

Anyway! Fun times in archives.

* British National Archives, WHYYYY so expensive. :((