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Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-07 04:49 pm (UTC)A woman who had lost her son through a fall when he was working on the machines of Versailles and who had been condemned to payments by the Chambre du Justice, presented full of pain a general petition in order to get some attention, and indeed she was asked whatever she wanted; she then shouted insults about the King, called him whoreson, King of Machines, tyrant and a thousand other scotises and extravaganzas, whereupon the King, surprised, asked whether she was talking of him. Whereupon she said yes and continued in her rant. She was arrested and immediately condemned to be whipped and be brought to the Petites-Maisons (then the madhouse of Paris). The whip was used on her with extraordinary hrashness throughout the entire Faubourg Saint-Germain, and the woman didn't make a sound, suffering the evil like a martyr for God's glory. Many have disliked this strict punishment and have said that the woman should have been treated as a madwoman and immeditaely brought to the Petites-Maisons, instead of letting oneself provoked into this punishment.
The editor also gives us, late in Louis' reign, the entire letter from the Abbé Fénelon (bestselling author of Telemaque, the How-to-be-a-good-prince novel so beloved by Fritz and Leopold Mozart, in which he provides Louis with an almighty "here's why you suck, in detail, and how your people suffer from it" speech. (This did not end well for Fénelon, who had started out with a very good job - teacher of the King's Grandsons - and was one of the candidates to become the next bishop of Paris, but after that letter, Louis made him first bishop of Cambrai instead (far less prestitigious, and far away), and then, when Fénelon wrote a pro Quietism pamphlet (Quietism, like Jansenism, was one of those inner Catholic branches which got popular in the later part of Louis' reign, but Quietism less so, and it was outright condemned), brought down the thunder, meaning he got the Pope to excommunicate Fénelon until Fénelon recanted (in public).)
But for all the social injustices, two thirds of the book consists of sensational gossip. Sometimes the editor presents conflicting accounts, as whenever there's a poisoning accusation, or how an affair came to be. For example: Louis and his first Maitresse en Titre, Louise de La Valliere. In one version, this started out as a kind of beard/cover story for his flirtation with his sister-in-law, Minette, and then became real, in another, La Valliere approched with and she was so devoted and crushing that he was nice to her at first, what with her not being a great beauty (too thin, and a slight limp, the courtiers said), but then fell in love with her.
Now, the chapter Madame est morte about Minette's death has a lot of very long quotes, and I can't translate them all, but here are some
Daniel de Cosnac, Bishop of Valence, about the early days when Minette still thought she could get rid of the Knight of Lothringia:
Madame replied to me that, if someone would advise her well, she would be capable of being careful, for the Chevalier de Lorraine was passionately in love with Madame de Monaco; Madame de Monaco was the friend of her heart and of unshakeable devotion, and thus she would be able to move her to signal the Chevalier de Lorraine whatever she wanted. I returned: 'I don't know either Madame de Monaco nor the Chevalier de Lorraine well enough to reassure your royal highness in this matter that such a strategy would be successful." She said: "I swear it will."
Only a few days after this conversation, Madame started to change her mind. I already said that Monsieur had demanded of the Chevalier de Lorraine that he, MOnsieur, was supposed to have precedence in his emotions before Madame de Monaco, and the later undoubtedly recognized that this was the key point in order to keep Monsieur's favor, and thus he prefered the fortune he could expect from Monsieur to the true or pretended love to Madame de Monaco. At various opportunities, it became clear without any shadow of a doubt that he was devoted exclusively to Monsieur and was Madame's enemy. This went so far that he showed open hostility and contempt towards Madame. Madame recognized too late that she shouldn't have put any hopes into Madame de MOnaco, who did not fulfill the expectations Madame had of her, and who had no influence on the Chevalier whatsoever.
(According to Horowski, Madame de Monaco was actually bi and either flirted with or had an affair with Minette herself, and later made a pass to Liselotte as well, who said no. But there is no quote supporting this in this book.)
Then the negotiations for the Treaty of Dover take up steam (reminder: the treaty for a France/England alliance, with the secret additional clause that Charles II promises to convert to Catholicism, which he'll only keep on his deathbed), which means Minette after years of neglect is increasingly important to Louis again, which means Philippe sulks. Simultanously, there's the matter of the abbeys he wants for the Chevalier, and it all explodes on January 30th, 1670. According to Saint-Maurice, who is working for the Duke of Savoy and reporting to him, this happened:
This, Monseigneur is the complete truth, as Madame de Montespan wrote it to her father the Duke of Monetemart, and how I learned it from Madame de Trambonneau, her trusted and beloved friend. But I ask your royal highness not to tell anyone I named these people as my sources.
The Abbé de Rivière and Bishop of Langres had two abbeys who belonged to Monsieur's territories. As the Bishop was old and fragile, (Monsieur) had been waiting for a long time for his death in order to give these abbeys to the Chevalier de Lorraine. He said this to the King at Chambord, but the King immediately replied that as the Chevalier was not a member of the clergy, his conscience did not permit him to allow this, and that besides this man was leading a far too debauched life to get a clerical income. Nonetheless Monsieur begged him for his permission, but his Majesty replied again that this was impossible, but that he, as he loved him (i.e. as Louis loved Philippe, his brother), would give the Chevalier a pension of 40 000 Livres despite having little respect for him once the abbeys in question were free.
Monsieur told all of this to the Chevalier de Lorraine, and they made a hundred jokes about the conscience of the King which accomodated for all the ladies. The King learned of this. The King accused the Chevalier de Lorraine of the shameful crime of sodomy with the Comte de Guiche and other men who have been burned for this crime at the Place de Grève.
When the Bishop of Langries died on Thursday morning, Monsieur told the King that he had given the abbeys to the Chevalier de Lorraine, whereupon the King said that he didn't want this to happen. Monsieur replied that it was a done deed and a fact. HIs Majesty told him again that he would prevent this. The conversation got so heated that the people around them started to notice.(...)
Philippe takes off to Saint Cloud with his entire household. To get the next paragraph, reminder that the Duchess of Orleans is Minette, Philippe's wife, the first Madame.
Madame asked (Louis) to agree that the Chevalier de Lorraine was to receive these abbeys. He told her that this was not possible. She asked for it as a favor to herself. He remained firm in his refusal and chided her for having forgotten the bad treatment she'd been subjected to so quickly. She told him that she prefered Monsieur's contentment to her own interests, that the Chevalier de Lorraine was a young man , that he would change his behavior, and asked (Louis) to forgive him, but when she saw that she could not succeed, she threw herself at the King's feet, crying, and told him that she saw it as the greatest injury to be separated from his person, but that it was her duty to follow Monsieur who wanted to leave the court. The King withdrew and tsaid that if his brother would wish to separate himself from him for this reason, he'd know how to punish those responsible.
=> The Chevalier gets arrested. Philippe decides to move his entire household to the furthest estate he owns (300 miles from Versailles) until he gets his boyfriend back. And because it still cracks me up how the tv show Versailles presented this whole thing in s1, complete with the Chevalier suffering in a ratty dungeon, here's how his arrest actually proceded:
The Chevalier spent the night in Saint-Germain; he wasn't brought to the Bastille. He was asked how many servants he wanted to have, he could bring as many as he wished; he chose two of his nobleman and two valets. He left on Friday in his carriage with a strong escort commanded by a lieutenant of the Gardes des Corps. He's supposed to be sent to Pierre-Encise; others say to the citadel of Montpellier, or maybe to Collioure, at the Catalonian border.
Monsieur can't endure the countryside for long and comes back to Versailles. Louis offers a compromise: the Chevalier is freed on the condition that he takes up residence either in Rome or in Malta (after all, he is in theory a Maltese Knight, that's why he's a Chevalier). The King provides a pension of 10 000 livres, and the abbeys will go to the Chevalier's brother, the Abbé d'Harcourt, who is at least a priest. Minette takes off to Dover, meets Charles, James and Jemmy, and returns. Then we get several descriptions of her death, one by her lady in waiting Madame de La Fayette (presumably an ancestress?), one from Louis' and Philippe's cousin, the Grande Mademoiselle (daughter of Gaston the schemer, older sister of Marguerite Louise the involuntary Medici wife), and then various descriptions from various people of the aftermath. What all these have in common is that she felt a pain in her side on the first day of her return, scandalalized her court by insisting on bathing in the river on Saturday and on Sunday felt worse. On Sunday, a painter was busy painting a portrait of her and Monsieur (oh joy, under these circumstances). While Monsieur is about to leave, Madame takes a glass of Zichory Wataer, drinks, her side attacks return, and she breaks down. From then onwards, it's an extremely painful dying, for hours and hours. Madame de La Fayette:
Suddenly (Minette) said one should take care of hte water which she had drunk. It was surely poisonous, maybe someone had confused a bottle, she was poisoned, she felt it, and was asking for an antidote.I was standing in front of her bed, next to Monsieur, and while I thought him incapable of such a crime, a feeling close to human malice made me take a good hard look at him. He was neither moved nor embarassed by this thought of Madame's. He said that the water should be given to a dog. He was sharing Madame's opinion that oil and an antidote should be brought to her in order to take such an evil suspicion from her. Madame Desbordes, her first chamberwoman, who was devoted to her, said that she had prepared the water, and drank from it, but Madame insisted on bring given oil and an antidote. She was given both.
It doesn't work, she gets worse, and Louis gets send for, who arrives with the Queen, two of his current mistresses (La Valliere and Montespan) and the Comtesse de Soissons, i.e. Olympe Mancini, Eugene's mother, and briefly also a mistress of Louis. Minette wants another medication to make her throw up, the doctors (now present in the plural) say no, and Louis starts to argue.
The King wanted to argue with htem, they didn't know how to reply to him. He told them: "One cannot let a woman die without trying to help her!" They looked at each other and didn't say a word. There was a constant coming and going in this room, people were having conversations, some even laughed as if Madame was in a very different state.
At which point both Madame de Lafayette and the Grande Mademoiselle claim they were the ones who thought that Minette needed a proper confessor, not the "lousy Capuchin" already present, and another, more renowned confessor is sent for so she can go through the final rites with him. The English envoy, as opposed to all the French memoirists, also mentions this exchange in his report to Charles:
I took the liberty of asking her whther she believed she had been poisoned. Her confessor, who was present, and heard what I had asked, said to her: "Madame, don't accuse anyone and offer your death as a sacrifice to God." This stopped her from replying, and despite the fact I kept asking her this question repeatedly, she only answered with a shrug. I asked her for the box in which all her letters were preserved in order to send them to His Majesty, and she ordered me to demand it from Madame de Bordes, who kept fainting and nearly dying from the pain to see her mistress in such a lamentable condition, and so Monsieur was able to get his hands on the letters before (Madame de Bordes) got to her senses again.
Louis orders an autopsy and the result says she wasn't poisoned. (The English envoy is not convinced.) Saint-Simon, who wasn't alive then, let alone in Versailles, still has a version of this story in his memoirs, and he not only reports it as being poison, administered by the Marquis d'Effiat and ordered by the Chevalier de Lorraine, but includes an aftermath where Detective Louis comes to the same conclusion and interrogates the Marquis:
"Now you listen to me, my friend: If you admit all to me and tell me the truth about what I want to know, then, whatever you may have done, I shall pardon you, and it will never be mentioned again. But take care not to keep anything from me, for if you do, you are a dead man. Has Madame been poisoned?"
"Yes, Sire," he said.
"And who has poisoned her?" the King asked, "and how was it done?"
He replied that the Chevalier de Lorraine had sent the poison to Beauvron and d'Effiat, and told him what I have described earlier. Whereupon the King continued to ask: (...)"And my brother, did he know?"
"No, Sire, none among us three was that stupid. He cannot keep a secret, he'd have betrayed us."
Upon this reply, the King exclaimed a loud "Ha!", like a man who after having had a constricted throat can breathe again.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-08 06:09 am (UTC)looooool! (I always need these reminders, and it's great because I'm usually coming at it from a place of knowing more than I did last time it came up :) )
like Madame de Sevigné saying the soldiers of the King make excellent missionaries (to force the Huguenots to convert), and the actual preachers can do the rest.
oh wow!
The author of the quote is Parliamentary Council Lefèvre d'Ormesson, who notes into his diary on July 1668:
Should we... find this guy's diary? :P (This is a terrible and interesting story, does he have more??)
Many have disliked this strict punishment and have said that the woman should have been treated as a madwoman and immeditaely brought to the Petites-Maisons, instead of letting oneself provoked into this punishment.
:(
In one version, this started out as a kind of beard/cover story for his flirtation with his sister-in-law, Minette, and then became real, in another, La Valliere approched with and she was so devoted and crushing that he was nice to her at first, what with her not being a great beauty (too thin, and a slight limp, the courtiers said), but then fell in love with her.
That's fascinating, the different versions! Is there any historian consensus as to which it was?
(According to Horowski, Madame de Monaco was actually bi and either flirted with or had an affair with Minette herself, and later made a pass to Liselotte as well, who said no. But there is no quote supporting this in this book.)
Gosh, if you ever find the supporting evidence, I want to know! Because I want this to be true :P
Poor Minette :(((( (I had to go read some articles about how people think she actually died. Ugh, it all sounds horrible. Poison might actually have been more pleasant!)
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-08 03:33 pm (UTC)No wonder Liselotte - who started out as Protestant and only converted because she had to, for her marriage - was always full of bile when it came to the hardcore Catholicism of the French court. Mind you, there are laudable exceptions, of which everyone's favourite bestselling author Fénelon is one. But there's probably a reason why Louis revoking the Edict of Nantes was actually a popular measure among the society surrounding him. And remember, for the Calas case going as it did, with nearly all Toulouse prepared to believe a father would murder his son for the intention of converting from Protestant to Catholic, you need a certain kind of society - the very one we see in action here, three quarters of a century earlier.
Should we... find this guy's diary? :P (This is a terrible and interesting story, does he have more??)
He's quoted more than once, and is never dull, but I doubt there's a complete edition available in English or German.
That's fascinating, the different versions! Is there any historian consensus as to which it was?
I've read either version in different biographies, so, no. Since we don't have a letter from Minette to Louis saying "Attention: pay court to this lady so our mothers aren't mad anymore about us flirting!", or Louise de la Valliere's secret diary, I don't think confirmation is possible for the former - it's hearsay in both cases.
Incidentally, it's hard to say whether Louis had a type, based on his mistresses. Louise de La Valliere was, everyone agreed, modest and lovely and pious and submissive. Her successor, Athenais de Montespan, was witty - her entire family was in fact famous for "the Montemart wit" - ruthless and dominating. Francoise de Maintenon, the ultimate winner of the mistresses in that Louis actually married her in a morganatic fashion, was smart, restrained, and the "soft power" type of woman who actually is responsible for a lot of decisions but is good ata making the guys thinking it was their idea. And those are just the three most famous ones, with whom he had relationships that lasted many years, as opposed to the ones he just had brief flings with, like Madame de Soubise or Olympe Mancini, Comtesse de Soissons (and mother of Eugene). Whether his first love, Marie Mancini, was a quiet submissive type or a energetic go getter depends on who describes her - as a girl, she comes across as the former, whereas as an adult woman in Rome, she's come into her own. (And btw, let's not forget the Chevalier de Lorraine during his temporary exile in Rome supposedly slept with her, presumably as another fuck you to Louis.) Based on all this, it's hard to say whether or not he and his first sister-in-law did more than courtly flirting. There was definitely gossip, but no one ever proved anything. But the story Jude Morgan used for his novel - that teenage Louis when told to dance with his young cousin said she was so thin that she looked like "the bones of the Cour des Innocentes" (i.e. the most famous cemetary in Paris), and a few years later was struck by her beauty and elegance, and that Minette for a while was the trend setting first lady at court (since the other cousin, the one Louis did marry, Maria Theresia of Spain, was too withdrawn and lethargic to be). Morgan has Jemmy suspect that she might have started out thinking to show Louis what (and whom) he could have had and then it got emotionally more serious. But like I said - we'll never know, since no letters between Louis and Minette were ever found, if they existed.
Gosh, if you ever find the supporting evidence, I want to know! Because I want this to be true :P
Well, here is her wiki entry for starters. She's the sister of the Comte de Guiche who was the Chevalier's predecessor as Philippe's favourite boyfriend, btw, and who then fell in love with Minette. Now the wiki entry is only cautious about the bisexual love affair between Madame de Monaco and Minette, and says "they were rumoured to have" while reporting all the other affairs as stone cold facts (when they were based on rumors as well, okay, except for Philippe/his boyfriends), which doesn't heighten my confidence; all wiki names as a source is Anne Edward's book about the entire Grimaldi dynasty.
Poor Minette :(((( (I had to go read some articles about how people think she actually died. Ugh, it all sounds horrible. Poison might actually have been more pleasant!)
Only if someone used Digitalis. Most of the poisons actually available at the time didn't work instantly, and people were in agony and dying for days. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that also true of Arsenic, which was the most popular poison back then?
Speaking of poisons, I'm going to do as write-up of the Affair of the Poisons quotes as well; there's interesting stuff there, including not one but two eye witness accounts who swear that Eugene's mother Olympe was maligned and was innocent.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-10 05:59 am (UTC)Ha, well, maybe if it's in French
Incidentally, it's hard to say whether Louis had a type, based on his mistresses.
Ah, that's interesting!
Now the wiki entry is only cautious about the bisexual love affair between Madame de Monaco and Minette, and says "they were rumoured to have" while reporting all the other affairs as stone cold facts
Heh. Okay, I'll slot this into "I want to believe!" category :)
Only if someone used Digitalis. Most of the poisons actually available at the time didn't work instantly, and people were in agony and dying for days. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that also true of Arsenic, which was the most popular poison back then?
Oh, huh. I guess Progress has also led to better poisons, which is not something I have ever thought about :P I think most of my exposure to arsenic has been via mystery novels, where they don't usually dwell on how much pain the victim is in.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-10 01:34 pm (UTC)Symptoms of arsenic poisoning begin with headaches, confusion, severe diarrhea, and drowsiness. As the poisoning develops, convulsions and changes in fingernail pigmentation called leukonychia striata (Mees's lines, or Aldrich-Mees's lines) may occur. When the poisoning becomes acute, symptoms may include diarrhea, vomiting, vomiting blood, blood in the urine, cramping muscles, hair loss, stomach pain, and more convulsions. The organs of the body that are usually affected by arsenic poisoning are the lungs, skin, kidneys, and liver. The final result of arsenic poisoning is coma and death.
Arsenic is related to heart disease[ (hypertension-related cardiovascular disease), cancer, stroke(cerebrovascular diseases), chronic lower respiratory diseases, impaired lung function, compromised immune response to H1N1 (swine) flu (a respiratory virus infection and diabetes.Skin effects can include skin cancer in the long term, but often prior to skin cancer are different skin lesions. Other effects may include darkening of skin and thickening of skin.
Chronic exposure to arsenic is related to vitamin A deficiency, which is related to heart disease and night blindness. The acute minimal lethal dose of arsenic in adults is estimated to be 70 to 200 mg or 1 mg/kg/day.
The reason why Arsenic was and is, as far as mysteries are concerned at least, a popular poison is that all these symptoms can be explained naturally, that it doesn't work instantly, and that thus, the poisoner is in the clear if they do it in order to inherit, like the Marquise de Brinvilliers. (One reason why Sophie of Hannover nicknamed it "Inheritance Powder" in her letter.) Whereas Digitalis would have been available if you knew apothocaries or knew your herbs, but it does work really fast, and thus there's no way of disguising what you did.
Have you ever read Flowers in the Attic? Because long time use of Arsenic is a key plot point there. In the Angelique novels, our heroine's first husband, Joffrey, who is among other things a genius level scientist, has her consume a tiny dose of Arsenic on a regular leve, as he does himself, in order to immunize herself against being poisoned. It does save her life later on. But you really have to get the dose right to use it like that. (I think. I'm anything but a scientist.)
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-10 03:52 pm (UTC)See also: Strong Poison by Dorothy Sayers! The bad guy takes small doses over a long time so that he can eat the same meal as his victim later on (the question of when the poison was administered and who did it being the key question in the case). The immunization does apparently work, but you can still expect some bad consequences for your health after a while, see this interesting blog post about the book and about arsenic poisoning in general by Deborah Blum, who wrote a whole book about poisons. /tangent
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-14 05:26 am (UTC)Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-22 10:32 am (UTC)Horowski: It was observedhow (Madame de Monaco) approached the new Madame with the same tender gestures she had used on the first one, but aside from a few excited incognito walks through Paris, this didn't go anywhere. Much later, as an old woman, Madame herself describes it to an interested niece thusly: "It's true that Madame de Monaco loved women. She would have liked to introduce me to this, but she didn't win me over, which grieved her so much that she cried."
Alas, the Princess of Monaco was permanently damaged by a botched blood letting in 1772, her health got increasingly worse from 1775, which made courtiers suspect anything from STD to poison (by her husband), and she died in 1778 at age 39. But if the her/Minette affair was real, at least we can say Minette had some enjoyable hours in between marital warfare with Monsieur.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-24 07:10 am (UTC)"It's true that Madame de Monaco loved women. She would have liked to introduce me to this, but she didn't win me over, which grieved her so much that she cried."
LOLOLOLOL I love this.
I love even more the idea that Monaco/Minette might have been real <3
Ugh for blood letting! I am now imagining using this hypothetical time machine to go around and yell at people not to get bled!
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-10 06:29 pm (UTC)Lol! Well, not right now, but that is exactly where we're headed! I'm on a really good streak of reading French, German, and Italian, and I have high hopes for my French this year. I would like to be able to read the memoirs, bios, and diaries for salon that we otherwise cannot read. :D
And, that,
We'll see if I manage to reply properly this weekend, but I'm going to try very hard to start write-ups on 18th century Danish kings and their favorites (so much gossip! I had no idea! I have ordered more books and am eyeing the Danish language!), so I may not.
So much to read (and write), so little time!
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-11 05:18 pm (UTC)Good news, it's on Google books; very bad news, it's 2 volumes of 800 pages each, and I am not the great
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Date: 2023-02-14 05:27 am (UTC)Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-14 04:48 pm (UTC)HAHAHA okay I need to update you on my French. It's now almost as good as my German--I read 65 pages of a biography of Philippe II yesterday, and have read 20 pages already today. I can read faster generally in French than in German, but have to stop and look up more words, so it works out to about the same overall speed as in German. I am way past the need for repetitive text, and I'm not casting around for something to practice on. My reading list is huge already and I'm actually able to read most things on it. :P
That's why I'm skeptical I'll have time for this one, which isn't anywhere near the top 50 of my reading list. I was thinking specifically of Lehndorff, as in, I haven't even read more than a couple hundred pages of Lehndorff, and he's much higher on my list! (There's also the problem with this diary that it's a non-OCRed pdf, which means I can't stop and look up words. I'm going to have be substantially better before I can do that.)
Also, I am so, so sorry, guys--if I'd known that there was going to be this much of a discrepancy between my French and my German learning speeds, and that French was not going to have to come at the expense of German, I would have started French sooner. I could have been reading salon all kinds of things in the last 3 years!
But now I'm just alternating French and German and trying to get my reading speeds in both up, so that it doesn't take me a week to read a book and that only if I do nothing else. But for now that means I do almost nothing else, which is why I am reading along with but not participating in the Louis XIV and Byzantine discussions. :/
From my Philippe reading yesterday (this is 12-13th century,
I admit, I was not expecting that.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-14 04:56 pm (UTC)(Mature Timothy Dalton was interviewed about five or so years ago and had some great stories about the shooting of that film. As a young actor, he totally fanboyed both Katherine Hepburn and Peter O'Toole, as you would, and had a wonderful description of O'Toole's performance in the "I have no sons!" scene after Henry busts everyone ein Philippe's bedchamber.
Sadly, while Philippe the shaggy haired struck me as an intriguing character in that play/film, I had to do some research more than a decade ago and the antisemitic acts he's responsible for are extraordinary even for a medieval ruler.
Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte
Date: 2023-02-14 04:57 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's the other thing I know him for. :/
Eyewitness reports
Date: 2023-02-08 03:40 pm (UTC)Burgund und seine Herzöge in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Amerikanische Bürgerkrieg in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Aufstieg der NSDAP in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Dreißigjährige Krieg in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Kampf um Berlin 1945 in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Mahdiaufstand in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Spanische Bürgerkrieg in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Ungarische Volksaufstand in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Wiener Kongress in Augenzeugenberichten
Deutschland in der Weltwirtschaftskrise in Augenzeugenberichten
Deutschland unter Napoleon in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Befreiungskriege in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Deutsche Arbeiterbewegung 1848-1919 in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Deutsche Revolution 1848/49 in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Französische Revolution in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Geburt des modernen Japan in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Gründung des Deutschen Reiches 1870/71 in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Hugenottenkriege in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Kreuzzüge in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Reformation in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Russische Revolution in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Türken vor Wien in Augenzeugenberichten
Die letzten Habsburger in Augenzeugenberichten
Heinrich VIII. von England in Augenzeugenberichten
Ludwig II. von Bayern in Augenzeugenberichten
Napoleons Rußlandfeldzug in Augenzeugenberichten
Revolution und Räterepublik in München 1918/19 in Augenzeugenberichten
Which of these are of interest to you? You will not get all of them today, but if I have a shopping list, I'll keep an eye out for ones at good prices. :)
Re: Eyewitness reports
Date: 2023-02-08 03:54 pm (UTC)Burgund und seine Herzöge in Augenzeugenberichten
Der Dreißigjährige Krieg in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Deutsche Revolution 1848/49 in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Hugenottenkriege in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Kreuzzüge in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Reformation in Augenzeugenberichten
Die Türken vor Wien in Augenzeugenberichten
Revolution und Räterepublik in München 1918/19 in Augenzeugenberichten
but only in the long term, when you get bargains. I'M really overcrowded right now anyway.
Re: Eyewitness reports
Date: 2023-02-08 04:21 pm (UTC)If you want to return the favor, my copy of Hagendorf's diary arrived yesterday, but I haven't been able to find a copy of the second edition for sale, only the first one where the diarist hadn't been identified yet. If you should happen to find yourself in a library that has the copy on the shelves, and you have some free time, and the book lends itself to scanning, I would appreciate a scan of whatever introductory material in the second edition talks about the identification of Hagendorf.
No rush, I have a ton of books ahead of it on my reading list! I also owe you guys a Struensee/Denmark write-up, maybe this weekend.