18th-Century Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 32

[cahn]

:) Still talking about Charles XII of Sweden / the Great Northern War and the Stuarts and the Jacobites, among other things!

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Re: Female Jacobites

[cahn]

Wow, this was really interesting! Especially the agents part.

Anne and Fanny were both very active as Jacobite agents: they carried correspondence, wrote reports, evaluated potential recruits, approached and recruited people, mediated in conflicts between Jacobites, etc.

This is super cool!

How dare women dress to express their political opinions, instead of to entice me!

hahahaha, omg!

("How delightful is the fair diarist's unsophisticated enthusiasm!")

omg! (A small but nevertheless potent contributor to the many many reasons I am amassing as to Why I Would Not Live in the 18th Century No Matter What.

and attack, beside the killing Fire of their Eyes, with Sword and Pistol;

AHAHAHA (I am now envisioning Basilisk!Jacobites)

appeared openly without Head-Pieces

Oh no!! The horror!!

In spite of your beard, sir!

Indeed!

Re: Female Jacobites

[luzula]

omg! (A small but nevertheless potent contributor to the many many reasons I am amassing as to Why I Would Not Live in the 18th Century No Matter What.

Actually the footnotes are 19th century! Although yeah, I too would not like to live in the 18th century...

The thesis has pictures of some of those garters, and one of them says "God bless [unreadable] and down with the Rump", with tartan patterns around it. : D The Rump being G1. The garter is folded, I assume it must say King James or something, but it looks like one word. Hmm. The other one says "Our prince is brave and our cause is just".

More on female Jacobites coming eventually...

Re: Female Jacobites

[mildred_of_midgard]

The Rump being G1.

Huh. Can you elaborate on this? I'm only familiar with Rump in this context as the Rump Parliament that tried and condemned Charles I in the previous century. I guess "rump" could have been later applied to Stuart opponents, now including the Hanovers?

Re: Female Jacobites

[luzula]

Hmm, I may be wrong here! I can't now remember where I read this, but it was something about G1 turning his back on people (thus turning his rump to them) as a way of showing that they were in disfavor.

But it does seem that the Rump Parliament also has to do with it...here's a passage about this in a book on 18th century political satire. Rumps seem to have been used in images of people kissing Walpole's arse as he shat golden guineas, and in cartoons of those in power shitting on the people.

Oh, and I've figured out the missing word, I think--I saw another piece of clothing saying "God bless P.C. and down with the Rump". That makes sense with the amount of space on the garter. But since it's about BPC, it doesn't make sense that it would refer to G1 rather than G2. Though the slogan was definitely popular during the '15 as well.

Maybe the "rump" from the Rump Parliament (originally little to do with anatomical rumps) evolved and took on other meanings as well?