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:) Still talking about Charles XII of Sweden / the Great Northern War and the Stuarts and the Jacobites, among other things!

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From:

selenak

Just to play Horowski‘s game of showing how interconnected and related the nobility is:

So, Lady Mary‘s brother in law (to her great regret, she oculdn‘t stand him) was the Earl of Mar, instigator of the 15. Her son in law was the Earl of Bute, educator and first PM to G3, bete noire of Fritz for cutting his subsidies in the last year of the 7 Years War. Lord Bute‘s younger brother is also the guy who was Barbarina‘s lover and temporary fiance when Fritz had her dragged to Prussia from Venice. And given Lady Mary‘s pining for Algarotti, this means we can connect all the early Jacobites within six steps to Algarotti, too, even without using the brothers Keith (who of course have the closest connection, due to sitting at the same table with him).

From:

cahn

I think my head is exploding a little! That is... really interconnected :) (It's also kind of amazing that I generally speaking know who these people are now! :P )

From:

mildred_of_midgard

I'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that Oglethorpe was at Hochkirch under a different name!

ETA: And yes, it's extremely exciting how far you've come! (And all of us, really, but especially you!)

Edited Date: 2021-11-24 02:16 am (UTC)

From:

selenak

Re: Oglethorpe, and we still wouldn't know if not for a footnote to the historical-criticial edition of Boswell's German travel diary! (Which manages to explain why Mitchell editor Andrew Bisset, publishing mid 19th century before Boswell's journals got published, had no idea.) Some day in the far, far future when I have way more time, I really must write that Black Sails crossover this immediately brought to mind for me in order to aquaint the world at large with the fact.:)

I'm pretty excited myself about us being able to make all these connections. And hey, that's why

cahn won my Frederician Quiz. :)

From:

luzula

Wait, Oglethorpe? I'm reading about some Oglethorpes right now, and wonder if yours is related? (I mean, probably the answer is yes.)

From:

selenak

This Oglethorpe.

From:

luzula

Ah! It looks like he's the brother of the ones I'm reading about; more anon.

From:

mildred_of_midgard

Cool! Looking forward to it. Americans (or at least

cahn and I) have all learned about Oglethorpe in school, multiple times, thanks to him founding the colony of Georgia. Seeing him show up in Frederick the Great history, and especially under a different name (Tebay), was a bit of a shock!

From:

cahn

Yep! If you founded an American colony, I've heard your name, multiple times. (My kids apparently aren't learning this stuff in school... I have no idea what they will come out with in their memories.) I was wondering if he was related!

From:

selenak

I have to say, as colony founders go, Oglethorpe - anti slavery, forbids it (which makes how Georgia turned out after him a bitter irony), falls out with William "The Butcher" Cumberland over the treatment of Scottish rebels, goes undercover to serve with James Keith, is with him and takes care of his slain body in a dangerous battle - sounds like a really good egg!