Frederick the Great and Other 18th-C Characters, Discussion Post 31

[cahn]

And in this post:

-luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!

-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!

-mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War

(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)

-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D

Comments

Abdications

[mildred_of_midgard]

More seriously, in terms of whether abdications count or not, it's interesting to compare this with Philip in Spain, no? Granted, Philip's abdication in favor of his son had been his own idea, he couldn't have blamed this on anyone else. But still, in both cases, you have a monarch abdicating and later reassuming the same throne.

Yep! We also have Victor Amadeus II, in 1730, whose biography I now own a copy of and need to digitize. And I recently discovered Ivan the Terrible abdicated twice voluntarily and reassumed the throne. But I think perhaps he was not Philip V's role model. :P

cahn, Ivan the Terrible managed to one-up Peter the Great by not ordering a third party to torture his son and then the son dying of those wounds, but by ramming his son on the head with his scepter, causing him to die. (This after beating his son's wife until she had a miscarriage, Wikipedia informs me.)

FW: not the worst royal dad!

Famous 19th century painting of Ivan realizing he's killed his son.