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cahnAnd in this post:
-luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!
-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, andselenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!
-mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War
(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
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luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and
selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!-
mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
Re: The Great Northern War: Overview
Date: 2021-11-01 01:04 pm (UTC)If they're dreaming of Sweden as a great military power, then why not choose some king who enlarged and held on to the territory?
You know, I was going to point to our Nazis marching at Rudolf Hess' birthday or death day or whatnot, at any rate at a Hess anniversary, and say you can never tell, because of all the Nazis to weave a cult around, Hess?!? But then I reconsidered. And now I have a new theory, based on something a great many people other than me have pointed out about the New Right. In particular, I remember a Brexit analyzing article about the mentality behind it, but you can just as well apply it to the (even more) extremists, and it's this: the appeal of picking Charles, and not, say, Gustav Adolf, or Rudolf Hess of all the people is that "we're the true persecuted victims, you're the evil oppressives!" has been a trademark along with the revelling in the military might. So the appeal lies in what one could call the "martyr" card or the "aggrieved lost cause" card. (Hess gets sold as a "martyr" by the current crop of Nazis because of his life long imprisonment in Spandau.) Karl can be a "martyr" and a military hero precisely because he got defeated and killed, and so your Nazis can feel they have something to avenge. Despite Gustav Adolf dying in battle, this is hardly something you can do with him, what with him being victorious all the time.
Re: The Great Northern War: Overview
Date: 2021-11-01 08:45 pm (UTC)Okay, more detail from Wikipedia. It seems that Sweden declared war in 1741 in league with French diplomats, partly to get back territory that they lost, but more to precipitate that coup you're talking about. Ah, okay, so that makes more sense out of the asking for troops--the regime they declared war on wasn't the same one as the one that lent the troops. But she still didn't give the territory back, which she had apparently promised to do.
Oh hey, and the guy the rebellious Swedish farmers wanted on the throne was the future Peter III.
So the appeal lies in what one could call the "martyr" card or the "aggrieved lost cause" card.
Ah! Yeah, that makes sense (and is of course part of the romanticizing of BPC, as well).
Re: The Great Northern War: Overview
Date: 2021-11-01 09:00 pm (UTC)the regime they declared war on wasn't the same one as the one that lent the troops.
The regime they declared war on would have been Anna Leopoldovna acting as regent for her son Ivan VI, on whom see more here and here. (Warning for tragedy.)
Re: The Great Northern War: Overview
Date: 2021-11-01 09:36 pm (UTC)