This was helpful, thank you for reading (and putting up with Oncken) and summarizing for us. Our gratitude is eternal, O Royal Reader. Even with his ridiculous commentary, the original sources are useful.
and btw, learned a new thing, Sir Charles Hotham was married to the Earl of Chesterfield's sister! Which means he was related to the Schulenburgs and thus to the Kattes in a roundabout way
Good to know! As Horowski says more than once, you have to pay attention to mistresses, wives, aunts, etc. in order to understand the networking of the 18th century.
At this point I lost my professional respect. I can take 19th century nationalism, but look,you can't otoh complain about Caryle falsifying evidence by selected quotes and otoh dismiss something you don't like as a lie just because it doesn't fit with your idea of a historical personality.
Right? Omg. Ugh.
he was clear instructions from London for how to proceed
Wants clear instructions? I read that as "has" initially, but I'm thinking "wants" makes more sense.
Anyway, Hotham's report show him between Scylla and Charybdis, because obviously what FW wants and what London wants is imcompatible
Yeah, they really have conflicting interests there.
what London wants is imcompatible, except for the withdrawal of the Prussian envoy which will happen in summer
So remind me--that was Reichenbach? Who was Degenfeld, his replacement?
George and Caroline are already trying to figure out a way in which younger beloved son Cumberland, aka Bill the future Butcher, can inherit after all, if not the crown, then at last part of the kingdom. The ideal solution, though it will take a few arguments and years more for them to say it out loud, is for FoW to die without an heir, so Bill of Cumberland becomes the next crown prince.
look no further than that letter. (Well, okay, look further to being raised for twenty years with the No.1. goal of your education being to please these people, this causing incredibly heartache to you because it's a big reason for your father to treat you as the enemy, and then they just dismiss you like that.)
Yep. :/ I feel so sorry for all of these children of royal parents.
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Re: English marriage intrigues
Date: 2021-03-15 10:25 pm (UTC)and btw, learned a new thing, Sir Charles Hotham was married to the Earl of Chesterfield's sister! Which means he was related to the Schulenburgs and thus to the Kattes in a roundabout way
Good to know! As Horowski says more than once, you have to pay attention to mistresses, wives, aunts, etc. in order to understand the networking of the 18th century.
At this point I lost my professional respect. I can take 19th century nationalism, but look,you can't otoh complain about Caryle falsifying evidence by selected quotes and otoh dismiss something you don't like as a lie just because it doesn't fit with your idea of a historical personality.
Right? Omg. Ugh.
he was clear instructions from London for how to proceed
Wants clear instructions? I read that as "has" initially, but I'm thinking "wants" makes more sense.
Anyway, Hotham's report show him between Scylla and Charybdis, because obviously what FW wants and what London wants is imcompatible
Yeah, they really have conflicting interests there.
what London wants is imcompatible, except for the withdrawal of the Prussian envoy which will happen in summer
So remind me--that was Reichenbach? Who was Degenfeld, his replacement?
George and Caroline are already trying to figure out a way in which younger beloved son Cumberland, aka Bill the future Butcher, can inherit after all, if not the crown, then at last part of the kingdom. The ideal solution, though it will take a few arguments and years more for them to say it out loud, is for FoW to die without an heir, so Bill of Cumberland becomes the next crown prince.
Hohenzollerns: dysfunctional.
Hanovers: dysfunctional.
Hohenzollern + Hanover marriage negotiations = dysfunction squared.
look no further than that letter. (Well, okay, look further to being raised for twenty years with the No.1. goal of your education being to please these people, this causing incredibly heartache to you because it's a big reason for your father to treat you as the enemy, and then they just dismiss you like that.)
Yep. :/ I feel so sorry for all of these children of royal parents.
Re: English marriage intrigues
Date: 2021-03-16 06:57 am (UTC)Yes, should have been "Wants", sorry.
So remind me--that was Reichenbach? Who was Degenfeld, his replacement?
Yes and yes.
Hohenzollerns: dysfunctional.
Hanovers: dysfunctional.
Hohenzollern + Hanover marriage negotiations = dysfunction squared.
No kidding!