Duel: that's awesome! Assuming that's reliable, that progressed a lot further than I thought.
Now I'm imagining FW and G2 singing "The Ten Duel Commandments" from Hamilton. (Hamilton can certainly be credited for even non history buffs knowing what a second is and how an 18th century duel works.
Derschau: indeed.
"One of six" Wartensleben as possible IM - wait, that's an acronym which is not familiar in English - IMs "Informelle Mitarbeiter" was how the GDR secret service referred to people they got to spy on their neighbours/loved ones/whomever without listing them as official agents - well, I could be wronging him, but you know what we agreed on re: pov, and what it betrays about who's telling the story. In the Wiegand version, you can tell which bits come from Valvons' account, from Broglie's, from Fritz' own to Voltaire. And basically 99% of the other stuff, which hails form Manteuffel, is constantly referencing what Wartensleben did or thought. So....
Wartensleben: Well, Fritz once called him his Socrates!
but you know what we agreed on re: pov, and what it betrays about who's telling the story.
No, I totally agree. I haven't been able to read the sources myself, but I trust both of you to sort out the unaccounted for elements and recognize the POV, so it does very much sound like Wartensleben was reporting to Manteuffel.
Thank you for teaching me the term IM!
Wartensleben: Well, Fritz once called him his Socrates!
Good grief, how many does he need? And did this one get a golden walking stick head? :P
Misunderstanding alert! I just wanted to make a joke, letting Wartensleben excuse himself for spying on Fritz by pointing out Fritz had called Manteuffel his Socrates.
Now I'm imagining FW and G2 singing "The Ten Duel Commandments" from Hamilton. (Hamilton can certainly be credited for even non history buffs knowing what a second is and how an 18th century duel works.
"So we're doing this!"
lol! I knew what a second was from reading random 18th-19th C literature as a kid (though I guess the footnotes to Pushkin's Onegin, which I didn't read until college, were the first time I was exposed to some of the points in "Commandments"). though it makes perfect sense that Hamilton will be the first exposure to duels for a lot of kids from this generation.
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Re: The Strassbourg Trip
Date: 2021-02-16 06:09 pm (UTC)Now I'm imagining FW and G2 singing "The Ten Duel Commandments" from Hamilton. (Hamilton can certainly be credited for even non history buffs knowing what a second is and how an 18th century duel works.
Derschau: indeed.
"One of six" Wartensleben as possible IM - wait, that's an acronym which is not familiar in English - IMs "Informelle Mitarbeiter" was how the GDR secret service referred to people they got to spy on their neighbours/loved ones/whomever without listing them as official agents - well, I could be wronging him, but you know what we agreed on re: pov, and what it betrays about who's telling the story. In the Wiegand version, you can tell which bits come from Valvons' account, from Broglie's, from Fritz' own to Voltaire. And basically 99% of the other stuff, which hails form Manteuffel, is constantly referencing what Wartensleben did or thought. So....
Wartensleben: Well, Fritz once called him his Socrates!
Re: The Strassbourg Trip
Date: 2021-02-19 10:25 pm (UTC)No, I totally agree. I haven't been able to read the sources myself, but I trust both of you to sort out the unaccounted for elements and recognize the POV, so it does very much sound like Wartensleben was reporting to Manteuffel.
Thank you for teaching me the term IM!
Wartensleben: Well, Fritz once called him his Socrates!
Good grief, how many does he need? And did this one get a golden walking stick head? :P
Re: The Strassbourg Trip
Date: 2021-02-20 07:26 am (UTC)Re: The Strassbourg Trip
Date: 2021-02-20 01:20 pm (UTC)Re: The Strassbourg Trip
Date: 2021-02-20 06:00 pm (UTC)"So we're doing this!"
lol! I knew what a second was from reading random 18th-19th C literature as a kid (though I guess the footnotes to Pushkin's Onegin, which I didn't read until college, were the first time I was exposed to some of the points in "Commandments"). though it makes perfect sense that Hamilton will be the first exposure to duels for a lot of kids from this generation.