cahn | Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 48

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Some awesome historical RPF

candyheartsex stories for meeeeee (or by me, in one tiny case) with historical characters! I'm just going to note whom the stories are about here. They are all so good!!

Anne Boleyn/Catherine of Aragorn
Frances Howard and Frances Coke (or: James I's court was basically a HOTBED of scandal, omg)

And two that are also historical RPF but also consistent with the Jude Morgan novel The King's Touch, which is an excellent historical novel narrated by James ("Jemmy") Scott, Duke of Monmouth, Charles II's illegitimate son.

Princess Henrietta of England (Charles II's sister and wife of Philippe I duc d'Orleans)
James of Monmouth/William/Mary

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From:

selenak

So, who exactly is Hazel in this scenario? Also, what would a "peaceful merger" be to an 18th century monarch? Doesn't sound like something that would appeal to many of them, unless they'll be guaranteed to be chief rabbit of the resulting warren.

Wellllll, I don't know about 18th century, but in the mid 19th century, there's the obvious hotly debated example of how to achieve German unification: i.e. would a unified Germany include the Austrians or not, and if with the Austrians, who would get to be Emperor? (Bear in mind here that while current day Germans and Austrians think of themselves as different people, in the 18th century such a distinction wasn't made. Hence for example Mozart and Joseph (the Emperor) referring to themselves as German, and the famous pamphlet calling for an end of the British subsidaries for Fritz arguing that having settled its beef with France, Britain had no business supporting "a German civil war" (i.e. Fritz versus MT). Anyway, by the mid 19th century, the Hohenzollerns and Prussia had achieved such undisputed supremacy that it wasn't really a question anymore that a Hohenzollern, not a Habsburg would be Emperor if the new state wasn't a republic (and alas only a small group of revolutionaries was ready for one), not to mention that the current Habsburg Emperor in the 1848 revolution was feeble minded (and was replaced post revolution by his nephew Franz Joseph, who who would live all the way till WWI), and Austria doing its own thing post Napoleon had been established, so the voices for a unified Germany including Austria were beaten by the so called "kleindeutsche Lösung", i.e. a unified Germany minus Austria.

But: in the 18th century, circumstances were somewhat different. Also the HRE did still exist. So a peaceful merger = Hohenzollern/Habsburg super state. I mean, not fun for anyone else in Europe, to be sure. Buuuuuut with enough twists and turns, it's the closest thing I can come up with to Hazel's idea.

Before anyone says anything: No, MT is definitely not Hazel. MT is very un-Hazel-like. Joseph is a bit too aggressive, too, with his REFORM NOW NOW NOW ways and the Bavarian War of Succession, but maybe in a world where a few things go differently for him earlier on he learns chill and patience. Otherwise I'm eying FS or Leopold for Hazel's role, if not exact character.

From:

mildred_of_midgard

Before anyone says anything: No, MT is definitely not Hazel. MT is very un-Hazel-like.

Lol, I would NEVER! As soon as

luzula asked, "So, who exactly is Hazel in this scenario?" my immediate reaction was, "Well, NOT MT!" :P

I am enjoying this thread despite having little to contribute to it. I am also delighted with this development:

selenak: This thread needs to be renamed "Prussian Efrafa."

luzula: I must know more about this Prussian Efrafa, no matter how busy I am!

Salon is SO GREAT. :D <3

From:

luzula

Well, it was an irresistible thread name! : D I do love Watership Down.

From:

luzula

I guess the union between England and Scotland in 1707 was a peaceful merger! If not one that left everyone happy. But there was already a union of the crowns, so it was less of a deal.