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Unfortunately, there was then at Berlin a King who pursued one policy only, who deceived his enemies, but not his servants, and who lied without scruple, but never without necessity.

(from The King's Secret - by Duke de Broglie, grand-nephew of the subject of the book, Comte de Broglie, and grandfather of the physicist) )

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-15 11:24 am (UTC)
selenak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Your point stands, but it's incredibly easy to find someone who knew and talked to both GG and Fritz - Pöllnitz! You made me read the conversation in his memoirs!

Since no one is going to request Pöllnitz and I doubt his existence is known to many peopole outside salon these days, I think it's a non-issue. :)

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-15 03:04 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
I know, I thought of him! Knobelsdorff too! That's why I said it would be "difficult" to write a fic overlapping them, not impossible. Even if people knew the characters, though, I think the mods would still want to count it as two fandoms, given how narrowly they want to define things these days.

(I was more concerned you were going to make a case that you might nominate FS, and he was significantly impacted by the Medici political decisions, which, well...yes, but. :P)

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-15 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
Right, Knobelsdorff was another!

:) LOL, well, going AU and imagining FS paying a visit to Florence before Gian Gastone's death to check out his inheritance might make a fun story. If he's on his own, without MT, he might take part in some of the parties at first but (given he won't just inherit the goodies, he'll also inherit the debts) will sideeye just how much money is spent on the Ruspanti and GD pretty quickly and maybe even start investigating.

...but you know, for all the bad press he has in the Italian books and Acton, I don't think he'd have been so tactless as to show up uninvited before GG was actually dead - I mean, whatever else is true about FS, he strikes me as the type of person who likes it if people around him are at their ease, and he knows that if he shows up in Florence before GG is dead, he's going to get glares and loathing by one part and sycophantic "think of me when you becomem boss!" cozying up on the other, but it sure as hell won't be relaxing. So don't worry, I wouldn't request it. Like I said, if I request this fandom, it's boing to be Marguerite Louise or bust.
Edited Date: 2023-09-15 03:12 pm (UTC)

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-18 12:55 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
I agree with everything you said, but it still remains possible to write a fic overlapping these characters without having them meet, like you could write about the transition period in Florence in the 1730s from Anna Maria Luisa's perspective, and show her interacting with GG and GD, and then with MT and FS.

In fact, the only AO3 fic to feature GG, "Succession", which both you and I have read and kudosed, includes GG, GD, Fritz, Katte, Wilhelmine, MT, and FS! But that's a specifically a pan-European fic that I submit is "difficult" to write (at least on demand for a fic exchange), and the mods want to go for narrower categories anyway.

In any case, they said they would approve it, so we're good! I just do wish someone would nominate Marguerite Louise, Cosimo III, Anna Maria Luisa, Violante Beatrice, and Anna Maria Franziska, and write fic, and we could get this dysfunctional fandom off the ground!

On another note, you're planning on requesting Fredersdorf and doing your usual "any character or combination of characters" thing, right? Asking for a friend who's trying to decide whether to sign up.

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-18 09:25 am (UTC)
selenak: (Fredersdorf)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Firstly: [personal profile] felis earlier said they'd nominate whatever we can't, so maybe these could be the ladies? (Cosimo is kind of the FW here in that he's almost inevitable in any scenario that involves either GG's pre-rulership time (i.e. most of his life) or most of Marguerite Louise's life, but unless you want to write about Cosimo's own childhood and/or his Grand Tour when everyone embarasses him by congratulating him on what the Medici did for Galilei, I don't think he needs to be nominated on his own.)

Secondly, yes, Fredersdorf will be among my requested characters, given all the transcribing you did and the translating I did this year involving his correspondence during the last year of his life which introduced us to new people and scenarios, and I'll go for any combination again.

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-21 03:42 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Firstly: felis earlier said they'd nominate whatever we can't, so maybe these could be the ladies?

Yes, I might ask.

(Cosimo is kind of the FW here in that he's almost inevitable in any scenario that involves either GG's pre-rulership time (i.e. most of his life) or most of Marguerite Louise's life, but unless you want to write about Cosimo's own childhood and/or his Grand Tour when everyone embarasses him by congratulating him on what the Medici did for Galilei, I don't think he needs to be nominated on his own.)

I disagree, in that I haven't written a single Fritz fic in which FW got tagged, and I think it would be incredibly easy to write a GG fic that didn't include Cosimo. Cosimo was *influential*, but that's not the same thing as "appearing in the fic." GG spent most of his life avoiding his father to the best of his ability! So if someone specifically wanted to request "GG and Cosimo" or "ML and Cosimo" or "Ferdinando and Cosimo", they would want him nominated. You could, for instance, write the story of the time GG left Prague, after his marriage failed, and went to Paris to visit ML, and ML didn't particularly want to see him. (One of those cases where I understand 100% how the forced marriage and probable marital rape affected her, and also how the total parental rejection affected GG. I love fandoms where everyone's dysfunction is understandable!)

That said, what are the odds that anyone other than me and maybe you are going to request in this fandom? Slim, so we couuld certainly do without Cosimo in nominations.

Secondly, yes, Fredersdorf will be among my requested characters, given all the transcribing you did and the translating I did this year involving his correspondence during the last year of his life which introduced us to new people and scenarios, and I'll go for any combination again.

Excellent, excellent. My friend will be pleased.

Re: Exchanges

Date: 2023-09-21 05:23 am (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Depending on how sleep works out, and whether I need to be bailed out--conceivably!

Me: oh, huh, I did!

I know, you did!

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