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Unfortunately, there was then at Berlin a King who pursued one policy only, who deceived his enemies, but not his servants, and who lied without scruple, but never without necessity.

(from The King's Secret - by Duke de Broglie, grand-nephew of the subject of the book, Comte de Broglie, and grandfather of the physicist) )

Re: Holy Roman Empire

Date: 2023-08-14 10:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
The HRE at this point in time. I sare say if Fritz had lived in Ottonian times, or Salian Times, or even in Hohenstaufen vs Welfs times, he'd totally have made a play for the throne. Just imagine Fritz in Henry the Quarrelsome's position! Totally taking over kid Otto III and the Empire for Theophanu's benefit, to be her champion, don't you know.

And of course many an era of the Byzantine Empire works as well, once a number of top families were established. Could see Fritz as member of the Phokas or the Komnenos clan deciding that ruling a province just isn't enough. Provided with he comes with an FW equivalent as a father who provides a full treasury as well as parental abuse, and as we've said before - Fritz without FW is not recognizably Fritz.

Re: Holy Roman Empire

Date: 2023-08-14 11:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Just imagine Fritz in Henry the Quarrelsome's position! Totally taking over kid Otto III and the Empire for Theophanu's benefit, to be her champion, don't you know.

Yes! Yes, he would do that!

Re: Holy Roman Empire

Date: 2023-08-14 12:05 pm (UTC)
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Glad you agree! But would he win against the three ladies (Theophanu, Adelheid and Mathilda) or would they defeat him as they did Henry?

Re: Holy Roman Empire

Date: 2023-08-14 12:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
He never loses Bavaria and never has to submit, but he also doesn't get to be regent.

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