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selenak

Ah, but Mazarin had never been Louis XIII's favourite. He'd been Richelieu's protegé, thus making Richelieu one of the very few men of power who actually groomed a capable successor in time, and Louis XIII appointed him at a dying Richelieu's request and himself died within a year, so I don't think kid Louis XIV saw Mazarin in a context to his late father, but, as you say, very much in a context with his mother.

Now, Mazarin able to win Anne's favour despite being Cardinal Richelieu's chosen protegé, given the long time Anne & Richelieu hostility, that is a rare case indeed.

Christian came to power when he was 17, old enough to reign in his own name.

Yes, that makes a big difference. Louis XIV was literally a child.

Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.

(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)

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mildred_of_midgard

Louis XIII appointed him at a dying Richelieu's request and himself died within a year, so I don't think kid Louis XIV saw Mazarin in a context to his late father, but, as you say, very much in a context with his mother.

I'd forgotten it was within a year, though I did remember he wasn't Louis XIII's favorite, just "a" favorite of the previous regime and could easily have been dismissed when Louis XIV came of age.

Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.

Very true. It went: "dimissed without a pension, restored, dismissed without a pension, pension eventually granted."

(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)

Aww. Poor Heinrich! Well, salon loves you, Heinrich!