cahn | Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 40

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From:

selenak

Remind me if he did this for gayness?

For female gayness, there's indeed poor Rosenstengel, and for male, I was thinking of the 1730 "sodomite" who did it with both animals and men (or am I misremembering?) according to the pamphlet I found and got burned. Neither was a noble, though.

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mildred_of_midgard

I was thinking of the 1730 "sodomite" who did it with both animals and men (or am I misremembering?) according to the pamphlet I found and got burned.

I think you are misremembering, at least given your write-up:

But I can tell cahn now that poor Lepsch had a go at the sheep courtesy to the pamphlet you uploaded. Well actually, I don't know which animal(s) he had a go at, but it wasn't humans. The giveaway is "viehische Vermischung" again

From:

felis

You might be mixing up the Lepsch case - which was bestiality only IIRC - and the Ephraim Ostermann one (see towards the end of this comment), which was indeed both, although it was complicated by the fact that one of the guys he had sex with died, and that it's a bit unclear on which grounds he actually got the death penalty (which was sword first, then burning the dead body, as per FW's addition to the verdict).

From:

selenak

Yes, that's it, I was mixing up the two! Thank you for clearing this up.

From:

mildred_of_midgard

Our sodomy expert to the rescue, thank you! :D

(Selena is our orgy expert: "But Philippe's orgies were well lit!")

I found a good essay on sodomy as a crime in Prussia...whose author...wrote his whole dissertation on the subject, i.e. sodomy as a crime in the 18th century

Damn, I went looking for the dissertation just now, and Google books shows it was made into a book, but I can't find it for sale anywhere, nor even in the Bavarian Stabi. :( Oh well.