cahn | Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 39

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Last post, along with the usual 18th-century suspects, included the Ottonians; changing ideas of conception and women's sexual pleasure; Isabella of Parma (the one who fell in love, and vice versa, with her husband's sister); Henry IV and Bertha (and Henry's second wife divorcing him for "unspeakable sexual acts"). (Okay, Isabella of Parma was 18th century.)

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From:

selenak

Good grief. Did that teacher argue on the basis of his mother being Mary Queen of Scots? General later Stuart tendency towards Rome? Not even that?

From:

mildred_of_midgard

Yep! Mary Queen of Scots was Catholic, and she raised her son (!!) Catholic. She may have said something about all the Stuarts, I don't remember, but it's ringing a faint bell. Definitely Mary, though.

[ETA: This may be a false memory, but when you said "later Stuart tendency", a memory of her saying, "All the Stuarts were Catholic, Mildred," popped into my head, along with a memory of my jaw dropping and me thinking to myself, "Okay, I'm not qualified to adduce evidence about the later ones off the top of my head, but I am definitely going to die on this hill of James VI/I!" I 100% remember the Mary argument, though.]

My teacher actually taught us that twice, in that I argued with her the first time unsuccessfully, and a couple days later she called him Catholic again, whereupon I threw up my hand and went, "No, Mrs. R--! We went over this! He was Protestant!" But she WOULD NOT back down, even when I pointed out things like Mary's baby being taken away from her and the King James translation and so forth.

This kind of thing is why I have a hard time blaming individual Americans for not knowing history. It's a systemic problem.

Edited Date: 2022-12-15 09:05 am (UTC)

From:

selenak

You know which Stuart would be the most mortified by this? Not even James VI/I but his daughter Elizabeth the Winter Queen. Which brings ups back to people not knowing anything about the Thirty Years War. :)

A Mary Queen of Scots who actually raises her son and raises him Catholic can reside next to an FW who puts up with a younger gay son not wanting to marry and only for that reason lets the older one leave Küstrin after all...

From:

mildred_of_midgard

I didn't know who the Winter Queen was at the time, but now that I do, I whole-heartedly agree with you!

A Mary Queen of Scots who actually raises her son and raises him Catholic can reside next to an FW who puts up with a younger gay son not wanting to marry and only for that reason lets the older one leave Küstrin after all...

My history teacher! Paid by the local school district to educate me about history!