Map reminder. Note the date and just pay attention to the approximate location of our two principalities.
Karl Peter: I'm the father of future (P)RussianPete and nephew of Charles XII. I think I should be king of Sweden! And failing that, or preferably in addition to that, I should get Schleswig back! The Danes stole it from us (Holstein-Gottorp) during the Great Northern War, because we were allied with Sweden.
Russia: We're with Karl Peter on this. Especially under Peter the Great, who practically adopts him.
Denmark: Not giving it back!
Karl Peter: Or some territorial equivalent. Equivalents are a thing in 18th century Europe.
England and France: No! We mediated the treaty that allowed Denmark to keep Schleswig, and we stand by that treaty.
Hanover: HELL no! We only got Bremen and Verden because we agreed to let Denmark keep Schleswig. If that treaty's not valid, then our claim to Bremen and Verden is called into question.
Austria: So, about that. We signed a 1726 treaty with Russia, which means we now have to support Karl Peter's claim to Schleswig or an equivalent.
Hanover: So you're not giving us the investitures to Bremen and Verden?
Austria: Well, it would definitely make our case about Schleswig a lot harder to sell. But can we interest you in a pragmatic sanction?
Karl Peter: So I GUESS, if no one is helping me get Schleswig back, then I'll just have to raise my SON to care deeply about this issue, so that if he ever ends up at the head of a country with a large army, he can mobilize it to take our Schleswig back.
Everyone else: Good luck with that foreign policy, future (P)RussianPete.
1762 Coda:
Russians: You want us to die to recover YOUR lost territory after giving back for free the territory WE had just conquered from Old Fritz? You have got to be kidding.
Catherine: Hi, I may be German, but I don't care about Holstein-Gottorp or Schleswig, and I'm not an especially big fan of Fritz.
Karl Peter: So I GUESS, if no one is helping me get Schleswig back, then I'll just have to raise my SON to care deeply about this issue, so that if he ever ends up at the head of a country with a large army, he can mobilize it to take our Schleswig back.
Everyone else: Good luck with that foreign policy, future (P)RussianPete.
Oh man. Poor (P)RussianPete :P
Russians: You want us to die to recover YOUR lost territory after giving back for free the territory WE had just conquered from Old Fritz? You have got to be kidding.
Catherine: Hi, I may be German, but I don't care about Holstein-Gottorp or Schleswig, and I'm not an especially big fan of Fritz.
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1730 Trending Topics: Holstein-Gottorp and Schleswig
Date: 2022-01-01 05:19 pm (UTC)Karl Peter: I'm the father of future (P)RussianPete and nephew of Charles XII. I think I should be king of Sweden! And failing that, or preferably in addition to that, I should get Schleswig back! The Danes stole it from us (Holstein-Gottorp) during the Great Northern War, because we were allied with Sweden.
Russia: We're with Karl Peter on this. Especially under Peter the Great, who practically adopts him.
Denmark: Not giving it back!
Karl Peter: Or some territorial equivalent. Equivalents are a thing in 18th century Europe.
England and France: No! We mediated the treaty that allowed Denmark to keep Schleswig, and we stand by that treaty.
Hanover: HELL no! We only got Bremen and Verden because we agreed to let Denmark keep Schleswig. If that treaty's not valid, then our claim to Bremen and Verden is called into question.
Austria: So, about that. We signed a 1726 treaty with Russia, which means we now have to support Karl Peter's claim to Schleswig or an equivalent.
Hanover: So you're not giving us the investitures to Bremen and Verden?
Austria: Well, it would definitely make our case about Schleswig a lot harder to sell. But can we interest you in a pragmatic sanction?
Karl Peter: So I GUESS, if no one is helping me get Schleswig back, then I'll just have to raise my SON to care deeply about this issue, so that if he ever ends up at the head of a country with a large army, he can mobilize it to take our Schleswig back.
Everyone else: Good luck with that foreign policy, future (P)RussianPete.
1762 Coda:
Russians: You want us to die to recover YOUR lost territory after giving back for free the territory WE had just conquered from Old Fritz? You have got to be kidding.
Catherine: Hi, I may be German, but I don't care about Holstein-Gottorp or Schleswig, and I'm not an especially big fan of Fritz.
Russians: HIRED!
Re: 1730 Trending Topics: Holstein-Gottorp and Schleswig
Date: 2022-01-03 05:54 am (UTC)Everyone else: Good luck with that foreign policy, future (P)RussianPete.
Oh man. Poor (P)RussianPete :P
Russians: You want us to die to recover YOUR lost territory after giving back for free the territory WE had just conquered from Old Fritz? You have got to be kidding.
Catherine: Hi, I may be German, but I don't care about Holstein-Gottorp or Schleswig, and I'm not an especially big fan of Fritz.
Russians: HIRED!
...I can see why :P