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Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-17 08:41 am (UTC)Danube: you can say that again. My first thought, btw, wasn‘t „Vienna“ but „Regensburg“, presumably due to having recently been there. But also because of the Perpetual Diet. (Maybe Katte went with someone on semi-official business?). Other German Danube towns are Passau and Ingolstadt (the later has a university where Victor Frankenstein studies in Mary Shelley‘s novel), and Kelheim (didn‘t FW stop there at the trip of doom?).
But what this does is add to my increasing awareness that Fritz and Katte did not have very long to get to know each other.
That is very true, and perhaps a reason why my mind insists on refusing to come up with scenarios where they are a happy long term couple. It‘s too much like a Romeo and Juliet thing - brief, intense as hell, but by its very nature tragic and short. Though I like your idea that Katte was a milder Keyslerlingk and maybe a living Katte would have been treated by Fritz the same way (much favored, but kept far from politics). BTW, what would then have become of Keyserlingk Actual? Not to mention all the other boyfriends, with or without (depending on the AU) Fredersdorf included….
Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-17 01:50 pm (UTC)Maybe! Kloosterhuis cites a whole book on Prussian-Danish relations 1688-1789, which I don't feel up to reading yet (as it's in German, naturally), but am keeping on my mental list for our Danish ambassador.
Ooh, hmm, this is interesting! I had always been convinced by biographical dictionaries plus Koser that Lövenörn was back in Denmark when Katte was executed, which was too bad because I wanted to read his take on the execution. But Kloosterhuis does cite a footnote, from same said book about Prussian-Danish relations, in which Lövenörn's Nov 5 report reads, Katte habe bei der Verlesung des Todesurteils alle ,Contenance‘ verloren und sei in Tränen ausgebrochen. "Katte lost all composure during the reading of the death sentence and broke into tears."
Which is interesting in two respects: 1. Was Lövenörn still in Prussia, or was he writing reports from Denmark using his sources? 2. This contradicts the Wilhelmine-Pöllnitz tradition that he heard his sentence without changing color. And anything the Danish ambassadors, with their good sources, say in November 5, 1730 has way more credibility than anything Wilhelmine says a decade later.
Hmm, this book suddenly seems more interesting.
33 euros and who knows how many months for US shipping. Sigh.
Maybe Katte was trying to sound out the Danes as a possible alternate escape destination but had to learn they‘d most likely hand Fritz back to his Dad.
Yeah, so my two questions are: What was Katte *officially* doing in Denmark (presumably not sounding out Danesa about escape routes), and what were he and Lövenörn *possibly* doing behind the scenes?
Also, it is still interesting to me that Aunt Melusine was probably also not going to be the escape supporter that we thought she was.
Poor Fritz.
My first thought, btw, wasn‘t „Vienna“ but „Regensburg“, presumably due to having recently been there. But also because of the Perpetual Diet.
Hmm, perhaps!
Oh, wait, he was an assistant
It‘s too much like a Romeo and Juliet thing - brief, intense as hell, but by its very nature tragic and short.
Yeah, I've made the exact same comparison. "I love you! I barely know you, but I will die for you! If I knew you longer, I'd probably be less enthusiastic about the dying, but right now LET'S DO IT!"
Does not make a whiff of difference to my brain's desire to FIX THIS, by coming up with long-term happiness scenarios. :P
BTW, what would then have become of Keyserlingk Actual?
Oh, I imagine he would have been unaffected. Fritz liked to have a collection of people he loved around him, and one more or less wouldn't make a difference.
Not to mention all the other boyfriends, with or without (depending on the AU) Fredersdorf included….
Now, this is more of a question mark for me. I think they both would have hit on Algarotti, let's be real. :P Suhm, no change. Voltaire...not sure what Katte would have made of that. :P Keith, well, it depends on the AU. If the three of them end up in exile together, I've always wondered to what extent Fritz has moved on from Keith to Katte and Keith is <3, vs. they make it work. (I'm making them make it work in the fix-it fic, obvs. :P)
Fredersdorf is the really, really big question. If Katte sees that Fritz means to rule alone and doesn't let anyone have influence, maybe he accepts that things are different than in his grandfather's day, and he's content with his artistic/intellectual role. But if he sees that the town musician's son gets more insight into affairs and treasury control than he does...maybe he doesn't like that. And so I'm with you on it being difficult to find a scenario in which they peacefully coexist.
Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-17 03:57 pm (UTC)Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-17 03:57 pm (UTC)Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-17 04:31 pm (UTC)Lol, unfinished sentence is totally because I went, "Wait, was he?", wandered off to Kloosterhuis to check dates, got side-tracked, and forgot to come back.
So he was the Brandenburg-Schwedt cousin's "Begleiter" in the second half of 1726 and again at Zeithain in June 1730, but I'm not sure whether that means Schwedt cousin could have been a possible reason for Katte's spring 1730 missions abroad.
(I still wonder what business Hans Heinrich had sent Hans Hermann to Paris on in 1728. Perhaps
Re: Kattes
Date: 2021-11-18 12:40 am (UTC)Too late to edit, but that was supposed to be </3.