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From: [personal profile] selenak
While we're all waiting for the RMSE opening (again), Stabi has delivered two biographies of F1 to me - the Werner Schmidt one from 2004, which is the one his Germman wiki entry footnotes most frequently, and one by Frank Göse from 2012. Frank Göse we already know as the guy who co-edited the FW essays anthology together with Kloosterhuis and who published the latest FW biography (only last year or so). His F1 biography is, like his FW biography, only intermittently chronological and arranged by topics (foreign policy, inner policy, family life etc). Like his FW biography, it's also a bit plodding to read - a great narrator, he's not - but unlike with his FW biography, I'm glad I've read to have read this one, since Werner Schmidt's attitude towards their shared subject is: "F1 is my woobie and I'm his one man defense squad!", so Göse, while also sympathetic to F1, provides a good counterbalance. A good example of how differently they present the same subject comes when we get to the fall of Danckelman.

But mainly I wanted to read these books to look up F1's youth and the other escape attempt by a Crown Prince, well, Kurprinz. And on the youth, Schmidt the woobie defense squad delivers in far more detail than Göse, despite his book being far slimmer. (Their different emphasis is also telling.)

Schmidt: First, have some background to understand where my woobie's Dad is coming from so I won't be accused to be mean about the Great Elector. Once upon a time, there was this really ghastly war, remember? 30 Years? Johann Georg of Brandenburg really wanted to keep out of it, but between having married the Winter King's sister and his sister having married Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden, naturally before all went to hell, he really couldn't. With the result that Brandenburg kept being invaded either by Swedes or Imperials. Future Great Elector, whose first names were Friedrich Wilhelm which is just too confusing, so [personal profile] selenak won't mention them again, thus spent seven years as a boy (from 7 to 14) at Küstrin because it was the toughest fortress Prussia had and his parents wanted him to be safe. Then he went to stay with relations in the Netherlands, where he met Louisa Hollandine the painter and daughter of the Winter Queen and romanced her, only it didn't work out because money. Then he came back and unsurprisingly had two major principles once he became the Prince Elector:

a) Brandenburg needs an army of its own so we won't get invaded, devastated and depopulated again.
b) Brandenburg also needs money.

He married the (rich) Dutch princess Louise Henriette of Orange whom Oranienburg the palace is named after and who gave him four sons. The first one died as a kid. Then came Karl Emil, who looked like the ideal Prussian prince - healthy, jolly, loves sports and playing war Then came Friedrich, future F1, who wasn't only sickly, no, his nurse managed to drop him during a carriage drive, with the result that future F1 ended up with both feet turned inwards and a curved spinal (is this the right expression in English?). None one thought he'd live long, except for his mother, who fought for him. (More details to come.) Unfortunately, fighting for future F1 also meant subjecting him to an endless series of medical tortures, iron corsets, getting pressed between weights to correct his spine and feet, until one Dr. Fey put an end to it and said the weight pressures especially were probably responsible for F1's asthma or at least it being so bad and could kill the kid.

Future F1 remained the youngest until his brother Ludwig was born. Now, for as long as his mother and older brother Karl Emil were still alive, he had affection to balance the medical tortures and some aspects of the teaching. The teaching parts are interesting for many reasons. Like future Prussian rulers after him, the Great Elector wrote a "how to handle the princes" instructions to his sons' governor. There are things in common with FW's lists, to wit, the religion - the Elector, too, wanted his sons to be raised as good Christians, start the day with praying etc. -, but there's a very different approach to art and sciences. The Elector wanted his sons to learn Latin, for example, but in a way that wouldn't make them hate the language, so the teacher was to be playful about it and also use it in conversation as often as possible. (French, too, but that's what the princess, including future F1, had a governess for. Unlike FW, though, F1's first language was German.) And with geography, the princes were supposed to learn the names of towns and countries etc. in a non-dull manner by the teacher attaching interesting stories to them so they memorize them better. All pretty fly for a 17th century guy!

These were the instructions for Karl Emil and F1 both. Karl Emil still hated school, but he wrote a lovely letter to his brother when being hunting. Practice your German on this baroque letter opening:

"Herzallerliebstes Brüderchen,
weil Ihr bei Eurer grossen Glückseligkeit da Ihr alllzeit bei Papa und Mama seit, meiner ganz vergesset, so will ich hiermit beweisen, dass ich fleissig an Euch gedenke. Ich hoffe, mein Herzensbrüderchen bald wieder zu sehen."

Future F1's teacher was one Eberhard Danckelmann. (Later to be ennobled into "von Danckelmann".) He was a proto Prussian two generations before FW - austere, dutiful, into discipline. A genuine prodigy - he'd debated and defended his thesis at 12 years old at a university! - but extremely shouty, and the first time F1's mother Louise Henriette noticed this, she wrote a letter in protest, that "Fritzchen" surely would be better guided by kindness than by verbal abuse. Whereupon Danckelmann was a bit quieter but still did things like this bit of German-to-Latin translation exercise for F1, of which there is a copy of the manuscript in child!F1's handwriting in the book:

Baroque German: "Mein Bruder und ich wollen gelehrte Printzen werden. Aber Fritz wird ein Esel bleiben."
Latin: "Frater et ego volumus fieri docti Principes. Sed Fridericus manebit Asinus."

Werner Schmidt: Pray keep this in mind when we get to the fate of Danckelmann a few decades later! At age 10, my woobie makes a fateful discovery when deciding he'll found an order "De la generosité". His governor (a member of the Schwerin clan at this point, Danckelmann was his teacher, different thing) lets him play this out. Little F1 discovers that the play acting as a gracious ruler, the ceremony, the investing, that all this makes him feel good and not like damaged goods for the first time! Not that his bitchy grandson shows any understanding for this. FYI, F2, your precious Black Eagle Order grew directly from this childhood Order de La Generosité.

But back to a tale of childhood woe, which is about to kick in in earnest. Because his mother dies, only one of two persons to love my hero truly and unconditionally. According to an eyewitness, ten years old F1 when told his mother was dying "cried out terribly, and hung from the Stewardess' neck and begged for for God's sake she should save everything and make it so his Mama did not die!" But she does, with her body exhausted after giving birth or having stillbirths nearly every other year. And then the Great Elector remarries. A woman who wasn't a poisoner, I don't think that, but she was without any sensitivity or sympathy for the stepkids and...

Frank Göse: Let me stop you right here. She wasn't that bad. Before her own kids were born, she wrote downright lovely letters to little future F1, calling him "Engelchen" and "Fritzchen". True, once she had kids of her own, she didn't do that anymore, but you yourself point out that every mother fights for her children, and when the late Electress got future F1, she immediately persuaded the Elector that he'd get a life long rent and a county of his own so his financial future was assured despite him being a third son. Dorothea followed the same principle for her kids.

Werner Schmidt: The only women I approve of unconditionally in this book are F1's mother and his first wife, who loved him unconditionally. Be content I don't think Dorothea the founder of the Schwedt line was a poisoner. Anyway, back to young F1's woes: Karl Emil dies next. This is a devastating blow for Dad, who until this point hasn't singled F1 out for anything but hasn't done anything against him, either. It's not too much to say, though, that after Karl Emil's death, the Great Elector will treat my guy as if it needs to be made clear the wrong brother died. Think that I'm exaggarating? Lemme quote the French ambassador.

Background here: The Elector had won some key battles against the French as part of the anti Sun King team up only for the Habsburgs to screw him over by making peace with Louis XIV without asking him to the negotiations. He then screwed over the Habsburgs by making his own secret treaty with Louis in which he promised that he'd vote for Louis or Louis' son the Dauphin the next time an HRE Emperor got voted hin, and that he'd make Louis executor of his last will. This team up with the French went on until Louis kicked the Huguenots out of France, at which point the Elector, champion of Protestants, couldn't stand by it anymore and changed his policy. But because grandson F2 as well as subsequent historians for two centuries accused my guy F1 of falling short of his Dad, let me point out the Great Elector made a completely bad treaty with the goddam French here, and wasn't the mastermind Hohenzollern historians insisted he was.

Anyway: the French were also hand in glove with Stepmom and her campaign to get her sons as big a portion of the Electorate as possible. Bear in mind primogeniture wasn't yet a fixture in all the German principalities, and Stepmom campaigned for dividing the realm the old fashioned way among all the sons. The French were all for it, since Louis hadn't forgotten the Elector had won that battle and many tiny Brandenburg pieces sounded better than an increasingly larger one. Future F1, now the Kurprinz (Prince Elector) instead of Karl Emil, otoh, thought this was a bad idea and got increasingly distrustful about Dad changing his will. Rébenac, the French envoy who was on Team Dorothea for the above named reason, wrote thus reports like this to Louis in France:

The Prince, Sire, has a very damaged figure, is of a weak constitution and doesn't show much will to live; a doctor has said he'll only live for three or four years more. He's of a weak mind, a hypocrite and very miserly, of little noblesse; and if he has the wish to enlarge his realm, then only in order to fill his purse with more cash, which is his only ambition. He lets himself be ruled by a man named Danckelmann who used to be his teacher, a feeble mind who is teaching his master hypocricy and hatred towards some of his father's ministers. (...) The Elector does not love him, nor does he esteem him. (...) A man from Sweden told the Elector unguardedly that the King of Sweden - against whom the Elector had fought and won battles - says he'll let the Elector of Brandenburg die in peace but that he'll make the Elector's son pay. The Elector himself told me this and added: "The King of Sweden is right; for my son isn't good for anything."

Objectivity, thy name is not Rébenac. More like "Wishful thinking". But while posterity can point out the obvious mistakes here at once (F1 would live on some decades more, he wouldn't get crushed by Sweden, and miserliness isn't a fault he's ever been accused of by posterity), the quote from the Elector about his son has the ring of authenticity to Werner Schmidt and Frank Göse alike.

Meanwhile, young future F1 had one good thing going in his life. As a child and youth, he'd been sent to take the waters in the principality of Hessen-Kassel every year (because the Elector's mother had been from there). There, he'd struck up a childhood friendship with the Hessian princess Elisabeth Henriette, nicknamed Hanette. (There's a letter from child!F1 to her mother thanking the mother for the hospitality and saying all the other Hessian princesses can be married of as long as "the one I love" stays.) And once little Hanette, five years younger than him, was of marriagable age, "weak" F1 lobbied for permission to marry her with both sets of (surviving) parents - and actually managed to pull it off. Thus, he achieved that rarity in the era, a mutual love match between friends. He also got a household of his own granted, in Köpenick (there's a Fontane chapter from the Wanderungen on his and Hanette's time there.) Mind you, the Elector behaved very badly and grumpily about the marriage, making it as insulting to the Hessen-Kassel family as possible by for eons refusing to name a date and then cancelling one agreed on and then, one morning while in bed with his wife, deciding this evening the marriage would happen without a fuss and no ceremony since Hanette was already in town. Young F1 put up with it and hightailed it out of Berlin with Hanette as soon as possible.

Werner Schmidt: But because that's the way his life goes, nothing good ever lasts long. Hanette gives birth to a daughter - his only daughter, as it would happen - and dies after just a few years. And that was the last person to ever truly love my guy. By this comment you may gather I don't like Sophie Charlotte, aka Figuelotte. Who was just like her grandson Fritz: a sarcastic, cold-hearted bitch unable to resist a witty quip no matter how hurtful, with an intellectual superiority complex. Granted, she started out not as bad as that at age 16, which is when she became still not yet F1's second wife. I'll quote Sophie her mother (about whom I'm a bit more positive right until two decades later she makes a sarcastic remark about F1 and his ministers, at which point I'll say she's just like her daughter, because I am A One Man Defense Squad) who writes to one of Liselotte's sisters:

She's not cruel, either, and he's always shown amiability and esteem towards her when her Highness the Princess Elector had still been alive and nobody would have imagined this possibility.
The Kurprinz isn't a handsome man in his figure, but he has a very good temper, and sound reason, and his face isn't ugly; it's a good thing she does like him and doesn't care about the exterior so much, for his highness the Duke and I love her so much that we could follow her own inclination if she'd chosen another suitor.


(As mentioned in the Barbara Beuys biography, future F1 & wife had visited Hannover, and he'd taken to the entire clan like a duck to water.)

Because Figuelotte is a princess of Hannover and has a mother who is quite up to standing toe to toe with the Elector, she gets a proper princely wedding. This does not mean relations between the Elector and his oldest surviving son improve.

mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Between meetings and RMSE opening (while I'm in a meeting!), I will not have time to properly read and reply today, but I've skimmed and am chuffed and grateful that you took me up on my suggestion to read and report on an F1 biography!

Also, I did read the German (and Latin) without looking anything up, yay. Still consciously having to concentrate and translate, though.

More when time!

I am A One Man Defense Squad

LOL, I love your way with words. And this is exactly why it's so important to get multiple perspectives on the same events.
felis: (House renfair)
From: [personal profile] felis
Very informative and highly entertaining write-up. The one man woobie defense squad, I'm amused. (First published in 1996 by the way, so pre-Euro indeed.)

until one Dr. Fey put an end to it

Well, thank God for that. And I mean, woobie or not, poor kid indeed.

"Herzallerliebstes Brüderchen,
weil Ihr bei Eurer grossen Glückseligkeit da Ihr alllzeit bei Papa und Mama seit, meiner ganz vergesset, so will ich hiermit beweisen, dass ich fleissig an Euch gedenke. Ich hoffe, mein Herzensbrüderchen bald wieder zu sehen."


Awww.

Rébenac, the French envoy who was on Team Dorothea for the above named reason

Aha! See, when the author of the Schwedt book wrote that the French envoy had no horse in this race and therefore his reports could be taken at face value (i.e. clearly F1 and the scheming Sophies were at fault for most of the falling out), I was pretty sure that this couldn't possibly be true and that the French must have had their own agenda here, but of course I didn't know about the details you just gave us. Nice.

"The King of Sweden is right; for my son isn't good for anything."

Well, if that doesn't sound like history repeating...
selenak: (Wilhelmine und Folichon)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Well, thank God for that. And I mean, woobie or not, poor kid indeed.

Quite. It's pretty guesome to read all the methods tried on him. No doubt everyone meant well, but good lord. It would be the perfect origin story for a supervillain instead of a royal who when all things were said and done was neither the worst nor the best of his time and seems to have been an okay, non-abusive human being.

The Karl Emil to F1 letter is adorable, isn't it? I also note that "Herzallerliebst" and or "Herzlieb" seems to be a baroque sibling thing, since Liselotte to her fave half brother also writes "Herzliebster Carl-Lutz".

the author of the Schwedt book wrote that the French envoy had no horse in this race

LOL. Even accounting for Werner Schmidt's own bias - he keeps comparing Louis and his envoy with Moliere's Tartuffe, for example - , he does provide more than enough background and quotes to demonstrate what the stakes for the French were. BTW, he also does make his case that the Elector's military victory against Louis was a Pyrrhic kind of victory since the follow up secret treaty was so much more good for France. I mean: if you were a European prince, specifically a German prince, who has already witnessed Louis invading the Palatinate under the flimsy pretext of protecting his sister-in-law's rights (which she was horrified about), and saw Louis about to put his grandkid on the Spanish throne, would YOU risk making freaking Louis the executor of your last will? (Promising to vote for him in the next HRE elections I get. That's more a fuck you gesture to the Habsburgs than anything else, since there was no way at this point the rest of the electors would vote for Louis.)

Well, if that doesn't sound like history repeating...

Alas. The really weird thing in the chain of Hohenzollern dysfunction is really that F1 & FW are the outliers there, and then with FW & Fritz, Fritz & FW2 etc. we're back to the pattern.
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
The really weird thing in the chain of Hohenzollern dysfunction is really that F1 & FW are the outliers there, and then with FW & Fritz, Fritz & FW2 etc. we're back to the pattern.

And also how F1 manages to be a decent dad despite not having had one, and FW manages to be the Worst of All Possible Dads despite having had one! Everything being part nature, part nurture, makes humans really complicated.

Also, therapy for everyone.
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
since Werner Schmidt's attitude towards their shared subject is: "F1 is my woobie and I'm his one man defense squad!", so Göse, while also sympathetic to F1, provides a good counterbalance.

At first I was glad you got both books for the balance, but then I was super impressed by how you put them in dialogue with each other!

But mainly I wanted to read these books to look up F1's youth and the other escape attempt by a Crown Prince, well, Kurprinz.

And delighted I am that you did! Because I've been curious.

a) Brandenburg needs an army of its own so we won't get invaded, devastated and depopulated again.
b) Brandenburg also needs money.


#HohenzollernPriorities

Then came Karl Emil, who looked like the ideal Prussian prince - healthy, jolly, loves sports and playing war

The original Karl Emil! (Don't name your kid Karl Emil is what I learned.)

Then came Friedrich, future F1, who wasn't only sickly, no, his nurse managed to drop him during a carriage drive, with the result that future F1 ended up with both feet turned inwards and a curved spinal

Omggg, poor baby, and in the 17th century, too. :(((

Lehndorff: *fistbump of solidarity*

a curved spinal (is this the right expression in English?)

I would say "a curved spine" if I were being casual, and "spinal curvature" if I were being more technical. For really technical terms, "scoliosis" if it's curvature to the side, "kyphosis" if it's curvature forward. "A curved spinal" isn't grammatical English, no.

Unfortunately, fighting for future F1 also meant subjecting him to an endless series of medical tortures, iron corsets, getting pressed between weights to correct his spine and feet, until one Dr. Fey put an end to it and said the weight pressures especially were probably responsible for F1's asthma or at least it being so bad and could kill the kid.

OMGGG, yes, no, don't do that! Poor F1 and poor Lehndorff!

All pretty fly for a 17th century guy!

No kidding!

"Herzallerliebstes Brüderchen,
weil Ihr bei Eurer grossen Glückseligkeit da Ihr alllzeit bei Papa und Mama seit, meiner ganz vergesset, so will ich hiermit beweisen, dass ich fleissig an Euch gedenke. Ich hoffe, mein Herzensbrüderchen bald wieder zu sehen."


Awww. <3

but extremely shouty, and the first time F1's mother Louise Henriette noticed this, she wrote a letter in protest, that "Fritzchen" surely would be better guided by kindness than by verbal abuse.

See, SOME people, like Sonsine, had figured this out even centuries ago! SOME people still haven't figured it out even today. :(

Whereupon Danckelmann was a bit quieter but still did things like this bit of German-to-Latin translation exercise for F1, of which there is a copy of the manuscript in child!F1's handwriting in the book:

Baroque German: "Mein Bruder und ich wollen gelehrte Printzen werden. Aber Fritz wird ein Esel bleiben."
Latin: "Frater et ego volumus fieri docti Principes. Sed Fridericus manebit Asinus."


SO MUCH HATE.

Not that his bitchy grandson shows any understanding for this. FYI, F2, your precious Black Eagle Order grew directly from this childhood Order de La Generosité.

Lol, enjoying the F2 counter-vendetta. :D

"cried out terribly, and hung from the Stewardess' neck and begged for for God's sake she should save everything and make it so his Mama did not die!"

AWWWW. And once little Hanette, five years younger than him, was of marriagable age, "weak" F1 lobbied for permission to marry her with both sets of (surviving) parents - and actually managed to pull it off.

Good for him! I'm glad something went right (at least temporarily).

Werner Schmidt: The only women I approve of unconditionally in this book are F1's mother and his first wife, who loved him unconditionally. Be content I don't think Dorothea the founder of the Schwedt line was a poisoner.

LOVING the dialogue!

"The King of Sweden is right; for my son isn't good for anything."

HOHENZOLLERN DADS OMG WTF

about whom I'm a bit more positive right until two decades later she makes a sarcastic remark about F1 and his ministers, at which point I'll say she's just like her daughter, because I am A One Man Defense Squad

LOLOLOL
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From: [personal profile] selenak
The original Karl Emil! (Don't name your kid Karl Emil is what I learned.)

Clearly! I guess at some point I'll have to read Jürgen Luh's big new biography of the Elector to find out why he did in the first place, given it's such a non-Hohenzollerian name...

Lehndorff: *fistbump of solidarity*

I thought of Lehndorff repeatedly when reading about all the ways they tried to correct F1's bones. At least Lehndorff's back was okay and he didn't get weights of iron on his breast?

See, SOME people, like Sonsine, had figured this out even centuries ago! SOME people still haven't figured it out even today. :(

Here's the letter Louise Henriette wrote on Christmas Day 1666 to future F1's governor Schwerin:

Monsieur, it is also necessary for me to tell you that ther are people who reported to me that Monsieur Danckelmann fiercely attacks Fritzchen during his studies - rudoyoit fort, Schmidt says, is the original expression the Electress used - people who have heard it themselves. I must admit that this is something extremely repellent to me. (...)It could damage his health and his soul. I ask you not to permit it any longer and to signal to (Danckelmann) that this does not please me. I believe his intentions to be good, that he wants (F1) to learn much. But (F1) knows enough for his age, and gentleness is the best methods to win children (douceur est la meilleur méthode pour gagner les enfants).

SO MUCH HATE.

I know. When I read it, I thought: if you're THAT kind of a jerk, Danckelmann, I won't feel sorry at all when you fall.

The Severus Snape method of teaching: only entertaining to read about in fiction. Now Danckelmann, like Snape, had positives going for him - he was a tireless worker dedicated to the state, and there's a reason why him falling from power and Wartenberg gaining it was regarded as such a disaster for centuries. Undoubtedly, too, the trial and the ensueing prison sentence was unfair. But nothing I've read about him made me think he should have been a teacher. (If he was a prodigy able to defend a thesis at university level at 12, undoubtedly little F1 appeared slow to him by comparison.)

HOHENZOLLERN DADS OMG WTF

The Three Georges of Britain and Hanover: Why? This was certainly the most normal thing ever to state about a son. We all said this about our eldest!

mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Clearly! I guess at some point I'll have to read Jürgen Luh's big new biography of the Elector to find out why he did in the first place, given it's such a non-Hohenzollerian name...

Ooh, yes, do! For many reasons, not just Karl Emil.

The Severus Snape method of teaching: only entertaining to read about in fiction.

Right? Snape is one of my (predicatably) problematic faves in fiction, but I would never let him around a child in real life!

(If he was a prodigy able to defend a thesis at university level at 12, undoubtedly little F1 appeared slow to him by comparison.)

Oh, yeah, that makes total sense. I *cough* have not always been the most patient teacher either, though I'm trying to get better.

The Three Georges of Britain and Hanover: Why? This was certainly the most normal thing ever to state about a son. We all said this about our eldest!

*spittake*

HANOVER DADS OMG WTF
selenak: (Rheinsberg)
From: [personal profile] selenak
Both Schmidt and Göse provide scans from F1's exercise books, but it's tellling for the overall emphasis which different translation exercises as given by Danckemann they picked:

Translations
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Wow, yes, those are very different samples.

Such lovely handwriting, though! I can only admire and envy (and wish all historical records were that clear).
selenak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] selenak
So... do we now think this was the Karl Emil that Fritz wanted AW's kid named after? I guess this makes sense given that everyone thought Karl Emil was awesome?

Yes, and the name hadn't been used again in the current generation of Hohenzollerns. (Unlike Friedrich, Heinrich and Wilhelm in all possible combinations.) Given Fritz had written a Histoire de la Maison de Brandenburg, he must have known about the Elector's treasured oldest son. (And/or Pöllnitz told him some stories.)


I didn't get all the words (I should have gotten more than I did, but I have slacked off on my German), but thanks to google translate I'm like DANCKELMANN


Like I said to Mildred: I like my Severus Snape types and their methods of teaching to remain fictional!

The universe is most inconsiderate to the reading public, I agree.

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