Me neither, especially since I wasn't aware that many Huguenots went to England (instead of the Protestant German principalities, the Netherlands and Switzerland). But evidently, we were wrong!
And apparently, they're all still fluent in French, 300 years later, and don't feel any need to translate memoirs!
I browsed a bit through the Rokoko French, and couldn't find the chess at first glance, but he does report EC honored him by visiting him in his Rheinsberg village house, declaring that she always wanted to see the home of a philosophe and a bachelar, and now her curiosity was satisfied.
Oh, that is a neat detail.
And I'm really curious where she got "Fredersdorff was a Potsdam Giant" from, since we haven't written that AU yet.
Oh, right, I forgot to comment on this! Yeah, that's odd, and also, it's the other way around, Des Champs. FW doesn't *give out* Potsdam Giants, he kidnaps them, and Fritz and Fredersdorf have to scheme to be together again! :PPP
I really am amazed that the editor accepted this was a straight face, even though she doesn't quote any newer biographical sources in the introduction than Andrew Hamilton and Thomas Carlyle. I mean, I will admit both Seckendorff's secret diary and the Manteuffel bios aren't exactly the first thing to find when one starts to read up on Fritz, but surely after hearing such a story, it would be worth checking out what the other side has to say?
Right? The scholarship here is *not* impressive.
Which is an interesting take on the question as to whether or not Fritz ennobled Fredersdorf, i.e. presenting him as willing but Fredersdorf refusing and being content with the land.
Yes, that was very interesting! It's also a contemporary source, so whether or not that's how it happened (keep in mind everyone having Fredersdorf stationed in Küstrin, much to Buwert's chagrin), it definitely tells us that this story was going around.
Clearly, yet another problem between him and Fritz must have been they were both terrible poets. :) (L'Amour qui partout nous talone/Avoit autour de sa Persone,/Rassamblé témérairement,/Les Graces, les Ris, l'Agrément!)
Yep: Des Champs was a man of feeling, alright.
Ahaahahaha. Remember when you pointed out the title, and I wrote, "I hope it's code for Extremely Opinionated Memoir." My hopes were not in vain!
re: neat details, in fairness, the story of him visiting the automata inventor Balducci with Heinrich and Ferdinand and the two boys being fascinated with the automata (Heinrich tried it out and got tea served by one) is also one, and charming. Or would be, if not for the fact that Balducci, which the introduction doesn't mention but I saw when looking it up in the main text, hadn't named his automata his metal "nègres". ....
's also a contemporary source, so whether or not that's how it happened (keep in mind everyone having Fredersdorf stationed in Küstrin, much to Buwert's chagrin), it definitely tells us that this story was going around.
Also, as we know from Nicolai, a lot of storytelling people seem to place Katte in Wesel together with Peter and Fritz when arrested, until the publications start in earnest with Fritz' death. Not to mention Voltairian dramatic inventions like FW being present at Katte's execution, or Wilhelmine getting thrown out of the window. But, as you say, it's interesting that this variation of the story (i.e. Fredersdorf could have gotten enobled by Fritz but declined and was content with the land) is making the rounds as well.
FW doesn't *give out* Potsdam Giants, he kidnaps them
I think anyone who knows anything about FW would know that. (Which means Uta J-K can't.) No Potsdam Giants freebies, and certainly not for Wretched Son.
Remember when you pointed out the title, and I wrote, "I hope it's code for Extremely Opinionated Memoir." My hopes were not in vain
They really weren't. I really hadn't expected the "Fredersdorf embezzled my salary!" part.
Also, as we know from Nicolai, a lot of storytelling people seem to place Katte in Wesel together with Peter and Fritz when arrested, until the publications start in earnest with Fritz' death.
Exactly: this is part of the "lectio difficilior" principle that I wrote to Buwert about as evidence in favor of Fritz and Fredersdorf meeting at Frankfurt: nobody would make that up, whereas it's very easy to remember Fritz was at Küstrin and that Fredersdorf met him at that time in his life, ergo Fredersdorf was stationed in Küstrin. He liked this argument and said it made sense.
I think anyone who knows anything about FW would know that. (Which means Uta J-K can't.)
Oh, BURN. :P
No Potsdam Giants freebies, and certainly not for Wretched Son.
And certainly not for Wretched Son in 1731, of all times! Reconciliation or not.
Or would be, if not for the fact that Balducci, which the introduction doesn't mention but I saw when looking it up in the main text, hadn't named his automata his metal "nègres". ....
Oh, dear. I was going to ask: hopefully the 1990 introduction at least isn't on board with the anti-Semitism? (Please?)
But, as you say, it's interesting that this variation of the story (i.e. Fredersdorf could have gotten enobled by Fritz but declined and was content with the land) is making the rounds as well.
Consistent with "Pulvis et Umbra" too, I might point out! I was hedging my bets since I knew we had multiple accounts of whether Fredersdorf was ennobled or not, and I wrote, "commoner though he was (and remarkably uninterested in becoming anything else)."
The antisemitism was in the book about the Pages, not in Des Champs' memoirs (at least not that the introduction mentioned or I spotted). considering the introduction tells the automata story witout mentioning what their inventor called them, methinks it's aware of the problem there.
Presents for Wretched Son in 1731 as per canon: can attend his sister's wedding party in December. Gets his sword back. Also the house in Küstrin where Fritz lives once he's not occupying Münchow's rooms anymore, I guess, at least on a "rented for" basis, but that's it. (BTW, thanks to Stratemann, we do know what FW gave the other kids on this and other Christmasses. And while some of those presents were extravagant - fireworks for little AW, piglets (if Felis right re: "Fröschlinge") set loose in the palace - a Potsdam Giant was never among them. :)
Re: ennoblement - like I said elsewhere, since the former Mrs. Fredersdorf when remarrying is listed as Mrs. Fredersdorf and not "von" Fredersdorf, and she ought to know, I was always reasonably sure he didn't get ennobled.
The antisemitism was in the book about the Pages, not in Des Champs' memoirs
Right, right, right, getting confused in my memory. *facepalm*
methinks it's aware of the problem there.
Well, that's something.
And while some of those presents were extravagant - fireworks for little AW, piglets (if Felis right re: "Fröschlinge") set loose in the palace - a Potsdam Giant was never among them. :)
Hee! Indeed not.
Re: ennoblement - like I said elsewhere, since the former Mrs. Fredersdorf when remarrying is listed as Mrs. Fredersdorf and not "von" Fredersdorf, and she ought to know, I was always reasonably sure he didn't get ennobled.
A convincing argument, but I did not know that when writing "Pulvis et Umbra", only one month into salon. ;)
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Re: Des Champs I: I'm Innocent! Everyone else was guilty. Except Le Diable.
Date: 2021-06-05 03:03 pm (UTC)And apparently, they're all still fluent in French, 300 years later, and don't feel any need to translate memoirs!
I browsed a bit through the Rokoko French, and couldn't find the chess at first glance, but he does report EC honored him by visiting him in his Rheinsberg village house, declaring that she always wanted to see the home of a philosophe and a bachelar, and now her curiosity was satisfied.
Oh, that is a neat detail.
And I'm really curious where she got "Fredersdorff was a Potsdam Giant" from, since we haven't written that AU yet.
Oh, right, I forgot to comment on this! Yeah, that's odd, and also, it's the other way around, Des Champs. FW doesn't *give out* Potsdam Giants, he kidnaps them, and Fritz and Fredersdorf have to scheme to be together again! :PPP
I really am amazed that the editor accepted this was a straight face, even though she doesn't quote any newer biographical sources in the introduction than Andrew Hamilton and Thomas Carlyle. I mean, I will admit both Seckendorff's secret diary and the Manteuffel bios aren't exactly the first thing to find when one starts to read up on Fritz, but surely after hearing such a story, it would be worth checking out what the other side has to say?
Right? The scholarship here is *not* impressive.
Which is an interesting take on the question as to whether or not Fritz ennobled Fredersdorf, i.e. presenting him as willing but Fredersdorf refusing and being content with the land.
Yes, that was very interesting! It's also a contemporary source, so whether or not that's how it happened (keep in mind everyone having Fredersdorf stationed in Küstrin, much to Buwert's chagrin), it definitely tells us that this story was going around.
Clearly, yet another problem between him and Fritz must have been they were both terrible poets. :) (L'Amour qui partout nous talone/Avoit autour de sa Persone,/Rassamblé témérairement,/Les Graces, les Ris, l'Agrément!)
Yep: Des Champs was a man of feeling, alright.
Ahaahahaha. Remember when you pointed out the title, and I wrote, "I hope it's code for Extremely Opinionated Memoir." My hopes were not in vain!
Re: Des Champs I: I'm Innocent! Everyone else was guilty. Except Le Diable.
Date: 2021-06-05 04:14 pm (UTC)'s also a contemporary source, so whether or not that's how it happened (keep in mind everyone having Fredersdorf stationed in Küstrin, much to Buwert's chagrin), it definitely tells us that this story was going around.
Also, as we know from Nicolai, a lot of storytelling people seem to place Katte in Wesel together with Peter and Fritz when arrested, until the publications start in earnest with Fritz' death. Not to mention Voltairian dramatic inventions like FW being present at Katte's execution, or Wilhelmine getting thrown out of the window. But, as you say, it's interesting that this variation of the story (i.e. Fredersdorf could have gotten enobled by Fritz but declined and was content with the land) is making the rounds as well.
FW doesn't *give out* Potsdam Giants, he kidnaps them
I think anyone who knows anything about FW would know that. (Which means Uta J-K can't.) No Potsdam Giants freebies, and certainly not for Wretched Son.
Remember when you pointed out the title, and I wrote, "I hope it's code for Extremely Opinionated Memoir." My hopes were not in vain
They really weren't. I really hadn't expected the "Fredersdorf embezzled my salary!" part.
Re: Des Champs I: I'm Innocent! Everyone else was guilty. Except Le Diable.
Date: 2021-06-05 04:23 pm (UTC)Exactly: this is part of the "lectio difficilior" principle that I wrote to Buwert about as evidence in favor of Fritz and Fredersdorf meeting at Frankfurt: nobody would make that up, whereas it's very easy to remember Fritz was at Küstrin and that Fredersdorf met him at that time in his life, ergo Fredersdorf was stationed in Küstrin. He liked this argument and said it made sense.
I think anyone who knows anything about FW would know that. (Which means Uta J-K can't.)
Oh, BURN. :P
No Potsdam Giants freebies, and certainly not for Wretched Son.
And certainly not for Wretched Son in 1731, of all times! Reconciliation or not.
Or would be, if not for the fact that Balducci, which the introduction doesn't mention but I saw when looking it up in the main text, hadn't named his automata his metal "nègres". ....
Oh, dear. I was going to ask: hopefully the 1990 introduction at least isn't on board with the anti-Semitism? (Please?)
But, as you say, it's interesting that this variation of the story (i.e. Fredersdorf could have gotten enobled by Fritz but declined and was content with the land) is making the rounds as well.
Consistent with "Pulvis et Umbra" too, I might point out! I was hedging my bets since I knew we had multiple accounts of whether Fredersdorf was ennobled or not, and I wrote, "commoner though he was (and remarkably uninterested in becoming anything else)."
Re: Des Champs I: I'm Innocent! Everyone else was guilty. Except Le Diable.
Date: 2021-06-05 05:02 pm (UTC)Presents for Wretched Son in 1731 as per canon: can attend his sister's wedding party in December. Gets his sword back. Also the house in Küstrin where Fritz lives once he's not occupying Münchow's rooms anymore, I guess, at least on a "rented for" basis, but that's it. (BTW, thanks to Stratemann, we do know what FW gave the other kids on this and other Christmasses. And while some of those presents were extravagant - fireworks for little AW, piglets (if Felis right re: "Fröschlinge") set loose in the palace - a Potsdam Giant was never among them. :)
Re: ennoblement - like I said elsewhere, since the former Mrs. Fredersdorf when remarrying is listed as Mrs. Fredersdorf and not "von" Fredersdorf, and she ought to know, I was always reasonably sure he didn't get ennobled.
Re: Des Champs I: I'm Innocent! Everyone else was guilty. Except Le Diable.
Date: 2021-06-05 05:58 pm (UTC)Right, right, right, getting confused in my memory. *facepalm*
methinks it's aware of the problem there.
Well, that's something.
And while some of those presents were extravagant - fireworks for little AW, piglets (if Felis right re: "Fröschlinge") set loose in the palace - a Potsdam Giant was never among them. :)
Hee! Indeed not.
Re: ennoblement - like I said elsewhere, since the former Mrs. Fredersdorf when remarrying is listed as Mrs. Fredersdorf and not "von" Fredersdorf, and she ought to know, I was always reasonably sure he didn't get ennobled.
A convincing argument, but I did not know that when writing "Pulvis et Umbra", only one month into salon. ;)