whether SC would have been on Team Hannover, initially yes, of course, but I'm not sure she'd have insisted the way SD did once it turned into such a controversial subject, not least because she wouldn't have felt the need for Wilhelmine to live the life she didn't get the way SD did
Oh, yes, very good point.
FW: ....BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POPERY?!? NO SON OF MINE... SC: Oh, hush. It would only be for show
LOL, I'm sold, this is how it would have happened!
I'm sure he'll return to the true faith as soon as the Emperor has kicked the bucket and introduce Protestantism in Vienna.
This is totally what I would say to FW as a persuasive technique! But actual Fritz...so on the one hand, he's got a pragmatic side, where he's willing to attend church during wartime, or have the court wear mourning for Isabella and stuff--the trappings, for public support. But his actual decisions fly in the face of whatever emperor has nominal authority over him.
So...Emperor Fritz remains nominally Catholic but gets excommunicated, thus continuing a long and respectable tradition of Pope/Emperor conflict?
Does a Fritz already in possession of Silesia (tu felix Frederice nube) continue the tradition of leading his army over the Alps and biting off more than (or in his case, possibly exactly as much as, as with Silesia) he can chew?
Does he get into a multi-front war with various Italian states to the south and Austria-Hungary to the north(-east), as MT rallies the Catholics to side with the Pope against her husband? Does MT pull off the Diplomatic Revolution with the French as fellow defenders of the faith?
I can see AW deciding his allegiance is to Big Bro emperor, and Heinrich winning some victories in Central Europe. Maybe more without Big Bro around?
Also, it would be totally hilarious if AW inherits in May 1740 and Fritz in October 1740, and Fritz decides not to recognize the Prussian Jülich-Berg claims. :P
but he might have gotten along with her better (and certainly would have been pleased she could do all the courtly stuff and was regarded as an ornament to the court)
Agreed. I suspect they would have had roughly the same number of interactions, as he relentlessly distanced her from power, but they might have been politer interactions.
while I don't think SD would have been as enthusiastic about Mina as wife to her first son the way she was about her as wife to her third, for as long as it's made clear she's still the most important woman in Prussia both in terms of social standing and to Fritz, she'd have been okay with her
Makes sense. And if niece Amelia, of impeccable bloodline, had shown up in Prussia married to Fritz, as per SD's *one wish*?
And speaking of grandparental AUs...
On the one hand, I've always been convinced, and I know you agree, that a Fritz raised by someone like Eugene of Savoy--kind and homosexual and in love with the arts, and also in love with having an army and a treasury to pass on to his beloved and well-treated son Fritz--still invades Silesia at the same time for the same reasons. (And possibly is more open to tactics other than decisive battles with monstrous casualties on both sides, because *that* strikes me as a "fight" reflex that got reinforced bigtime by trauma. And also possibly doesn't insult and betray other European powers quite so much. TBD.)
On the other hand, if Fritz had been raised by F1 (and SC if she lives long enough), and inherited a bankrupt kingdom without one of the finest armies in Europe...I'm not convinced that Fritz does an FW and invents frugality and militarism on his own. Workaholism maybe.
If he does, of course, he doesn't have the money and the army by November of 1740. But I'm not sure he does at all. He might have turned out more like August the Strong, minus the drinking, fox-tossing, mistresses, etc., of course.
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Re: AW readthrough
Date: 2020-08-30 06:07 pm (UTC)Oh, yes, very good point.
FW: ....BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POPERY?!? NO SON OF MINE...
SC: Oh, hush. It would only be for show
LOL, I'm sold, this is how it would have happened!
I'm sure he'll return to the true faith as soon as the Emperor has kicked the bucket and introduce Protestantism in Vienna.
This is totally what I would say to FW as a persuasive technique! But actual Fritz...so on the one hand, he's got a pragmatic side, where he's willing to attend church during wartime, or have the court wear mourning for Isabella and stuff--the trappings, for public support. But his actual decisions fly in the face of whatever emperor has nominal authority over him.
So...Emperor Fritz remains nominally Catholic but gets excommunicated, thus continuing a long and respectable tradition of Pope/Emperor conflict?
Does a Fritz already in possession of Silesia (tu felix Frederice nube) continue the tradition of leading his army over the Alps and biting off more than (or in his case, possibly exactly as much as, as with Silesia) he can chew?
Does he get into a multi-front war with various Italian states to the south and Austria-Hungary to the north(-east), as MT rallies the Catholics to side with the Pope against her husband? Does MT pull off the Diplomatic Revolution with the French as fellow defenders of the faith?
I can see AW deciding his allegiance is to Big Bro emperor, and Heinrich winning some victories in Central Europe. Maybe more without Big Bro around?
Also, it would be totally hilarious if AW inherits in May 1740 and Fritz in October 1740, and Fritz decides not to recognize the Prussian Jülich-Berg claims. :P
but he might have gotten along with her better (and certainly would have been pleased she could do all the courtly stuff and was regarded as an ornament to the court)
Agreed. I suspect they would have had roughly the same number of interactions, as he relentlessly distanced her from power, but they might have been politer interactions.
while I don't think SD would have been as enthusiastic about Mina as wife to her first son the way she was about her as wife to her third, for as long as it's made clear she's still the most important woman in Prussia both in terms of social standing and to Fritz, she'd have been okay with her
Makes sense. And if niece Amelia, of impeccable bloodline, had shown up in Prussia married to Fritz, as per SD's *one wish*?
And speaking of grandparental AUs...
On the one hand, I've always been convinced, and I know you agree, that a Fritz raised by someone like Eugene of Savoy--kind and homosexual and in love with the arts, and also in love with having an army and a treasury to pass on to his beloved and well-treated son Fritz--still invades Silesia at the same time for the same reasons. (And possibly is more open to tactics other than decisive battles with monstrous casualties on both sides, because *that* strikes me as a "fight" reflex that got reinforced bigtime by trauma. And also possibly doesn't insult and betray other European powers quite so much. TBD.)
On the other hand, if Fritz had been raised by F1 (and SC if she lives long enough), and inherited a bankrupt kingdom without one of the finest armies in Europe...I'm not convinced that Fritz does an FW and invents frugality and militarism on his own. Workaholism maybe.
If he does, of course, he doesn't have the money and the army by November of 1740. But I'm not sure he does at all. He might have turned out more like August the Strong, minus the drinking, fox-tossing, mistresses, etc., of course.
What do you think?