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Re: The Lehndorff Report: 1783

Date: 2020-03-21 06:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
the estimable Ms Ziebura has edited Lehndorff's 1799 diary.

Somebody deserves flowers! Have you tracked down this volume? Are we going to be able to get our hands on it (perhaps after libraries reopen)?

However, I am quite sure we owe this solely to the Marchese di Luchesini, who is always near him and knows how to captivate him through witty conversation. The men who used to surround the King were lacking in wit; their conversation was only gossip revolving around people the King didn’t even know.

Lol. No wonder Fritz was happy to resume corresponding with Heinrich!

because "the manes" is a Roman mythology allusion which does sound like Fritz.

It does, yes. Granted he's not the only one in the 18th century who knew his mythology, but it does add to the plausibility. That said, "manes of those whose favour he courted" doesn't necessarily have to mean AW: if Prades was guilty in Fritz's mind of treason, it could just as easily mean his long-dead paymasters.

 Although the court painter actually did a golden anniversary painting for which neither of the two marrieds posed. Poor painted EC has to hold a fertlity symbol in her hand, too.

Wow.

Various family members of the du Rosey clan and the Katte clan: Ahem. Ahem.

HAHAHAA. But his grudge prevented him from gathering information about poor innocent Hans Hermann, who had never done Lehndorff any harm, that would be of great interest to future readers! My kingdom for a Fontane bodyswap.

What I wish she'd translate and edit are Heinrich's and Ferdinand's letters to Lehndorff.

Maybe if we send her flowers and a nice note. ;)

(Ludwig v. Wreech: Fritz wrote love poetry to my mother. Which throughout my childhood we were forced to hear recited out loud, along with her gushing about what a great man he's become. Isn't that enough reason to hate him? Heinrich: You're hired.)

LOOOL. Well, all the biographers I've read said she merely tolerated him as Crown Prince and wasn't that impressed, but maybe that changed after he became Frederick the Great instead of Frederick the Disgraced Prince With Whom It Is Dangerous To Socialize (see also Doris Ritter)?

Re: The Lehndorff Report: 1783

Date: 2020-03-21 07:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
Have you tracked down this volume?

Yes, the Stabi has it. In print, as it's new.

That said, "manes of those whose favour he courted" doesn't necessarily have to mean AW: if Prades was guilty in Fritz's mind of treason, it could just as easily mean his long-dead paymasters.

True. Louis XVI, the Duc de Choisieul, Madame de Pompadour, or the Brühls - no matter whom worked for, they are all dead by 1783. (MT, too, though not Kaunitz, but presumably Prades would have been spying for the French (home team) or the Saxons (physical proximity + money by the Brühl clan), not the Austrians.

One of the books which I actually own has the wedding anniversary painting, though in black and white. You can tell, even within the formality such a pointing would have under the best of circumstances, that neither EC nor Fritz posed for it, least of all together.

Well, all the biographers I've read said she merely tolerated him as Crown Prince and wasn't that impressed, but maybe that changed after he became Frederick the Great instead of Frederick the Disgraced Prince With Whom It Is Dangerous To Socialize (see also Doris Ritter)?

Oh, I was just guessing as to why Ludwig Wreech (and his brother, also working for Heinrich) had it in for Fritz. It might not have had to do anything with his love poetry for their mother! German wiki thinks she was merely polite and not that impressed while it happened, too, and links the 19th century Allgemeine Deutsche Biography, which says there were no further relatons between her and Fritz post Küstrin until 1758, mid 7 Years War, when he saw the estate of Tamsel again after the battle of Zorndorf, on August 30th. The Russians had plundered the estate, burned some of it and had killed some people, including the teacher of the younger Wreechs, Fahndorff. Fritz still had to make his headquarters there and wrote a letter to Frau v. Wreech, apologizing and promising to pay for all the damage. She took him at his word and wrote back asking for more money for the farmers in the area, too, repeatedly, which he couldn't give, being short of money. She died in 1784, when this volume of diaries end. So for all I know, Ludwig W. might have been Fritz hostile because he blamed him for the war, not because he blamed him for his poetry.

Re: The Lehndorff Report: 1783

Date: 2020-03-21 10:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Yes, the Stabi has it. In print, as it's new.

Sweet! More Lehndorff in our future. If the plague goes on long enough and we get desperate, it looks like it can be obtained for 20 euros.

Oh, I was just guessing as to why Ludwig Wreech (and his brother, also working for Heinrich) had it in for Fritz.

Oh, I didn't think you were claiming this was a historical fact! I was just wondering how likely it is as a private headcanon. ;)

10-yo Heinrich raiding Big Bro's larder the moment he gets a chance--now, that's as plausible as it gets!

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