:) Well, firstly, Joseph having a Fritz portrait in his bedroom was something I've made up for the crack fic.
Ah! Because he did keep the book by his bedside (or at least so I've always been led to understand), I thought you knew something I didn't know about something small and easily hide-able. :P (Not a full-length on the wall, obviously.)
Duly noted!
Peter III totally had one, though, change my mind. :P
So my money is still on him for having come up with the name first, for now.
Oh, sure. His is independent. I'm just saying maybe Fritz didn't plagiarize from Manteuffel, but thought of his sister's nickname and decided that would be the perfect name for the place where he wants to chill out but doesn't know how.
Of course, it's also possible Fritz stole the Manteuffel trademark. ;)
No contest if we're talking about his long term guys (minus Voltaire), but as we've seen, the witty pretties...
No argument! (Though while Voltaire may not have been good boyfriend material, or someone Fritz exercised good judgment around, he still had an era named after him, which has to count for something in terms of Fritz's taste.)
Kalkreuth made a military career under FW2 and FW3 up to Field Marshal. (And, probably resentful because Heinrich had still dumped him for Kaphengst despite Kalkreuth having gone to the effort of compromising poor Mina, claimed he was the true genius of the Seven-Years-War and had devised all of Heinrich's strategies.
Oh, wow, did not know this! Thank you for the additional context on the Heinrich favorites.
Which wasn't to be underestimated because Heinrich in the mid 1760s comes across as permanently depressed and in a bad mood, lashing out at people
Yeah, he wouldn't be the first or last to have this problem after a war, or to rise to the occasion when there was a real challenge to play to his strengths.
Therapy for everyone (including poor Mina).
Maybe potentially chatty Bayreuth artists just thought Catt would blab to Fritz and Thiebault would not?
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know Thiebault or his relationship with Fritz well enough to make a call, but personally, I wouldn't tell Catt about this.
I see no evidence from the Katte episode, anyway, that Catt had access to those memoirs. Whereas, as you saw, Thiebault is practically a verbatim transcript.
thus sounds like a genuine Fritz information.
Or something they made up or picked up from rumor. It does match W/P/T, though, so I maintain it either has to be rumor (a popular and long-standing rumor because it sounds so dramatic?), or actual Fritz. Actual Fritz does make the most sense to me.
If it's actual Fritz, it either comes to Catt directly from Fritz (which, aside from the date, seems reasonable enough--and he was with Fritz for 25 years), or indirectly, via Voltaire's memoirs or someone else.
Pöllnitz was still alive and in Berlin until the 1770s, but you tell me--you think he would have given Voltaire and/or Catt even a very abbreviated version of the Katte episode? Even a throwaway line about how--*lowers voice* "He thought HE was going to be executed, you know?"--if Catt brought it up in conversation? It seems unlikely to me, but I don't know Pöllnitz that well.
I would like Catt's episode to have been a, perhaps redated, actual conversation, because if Fritz really did believe he was about to be executed, and he did give the same rundown to Voltaire and Catt in person, then I do have a pretty plausible reconstruction of what happened. But see also the comment I'm about to make about that Grumbkow letter.
Aw, I wouldn't want to cause him further angst. It's just that between Lehndorff coming across in the diaries as liking and admiring him and considering him the true hero of 1730
Agreed. And it occurs to me, they would be having this conversation in the 1750s anyway, because that's when the one-who-got-away episode took place, and Lehndorff presumably wouldn't have had a beef with the Kattes before that. And by then Peter's gotten more royal favor and hopefully some closure.
So I'm down for them having this drink circa 1755! After the marriage kerfluffle, and before Peter dies (narrow window in between those two events, poor Peter). When dear cousin has been rudely married to a Katte and Glasow--Glasow!--is accompanying Fritz to the Netherlands, and Peter has been entrusted with administration responsibilities at the Academy and Charlottenburg and Tiergarten, and given an estate at Jägerhof, and has accompanied Fritz to Silesia at least once and gotten at least two bonuses (and my headcanon is this becomes an annual thing 1750-1755), so Peter can be more chill about the Kattes and sympathize with Lehndorff's frustrations. And they can toast their respective wives and kids. <3
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
Re: Collected answers from the last post
Date: 2020-01-26 04:38 pm (UTC)Ah! Because he did keep the book by his bedside (or at least so I've always been led to understand), I thought you knew something I didn't know about something small and easily hide-able. :P (Not a full-length on the wall, obviously.)
Duly noted!
Peter III totally had one, though, change my mind. :P
So my money is still on him for having come up with the name first, for now.
Oh, sure. His is independent. I'm just saying maybe Fritz didn't plagiarize from Manteuffel, but thought of his sister's nickname and decided that would be the perfect name for the place where he wants to chill out
but doesn't know how.Of course, it's also possible Fritz stole the Manteuffel trademark. ;)
No contest if we're talking about his long term guys (minus Voltaire), but as we've seen, the witty pretties...
No argument! (Though while Voltaire may not have been good boyfriend material, or someone Fritz exercised good judgment around, he still had an era named after him, which has to count for something in terms of Fritz's taste.)
Kalkreuth made a military career under FW2 and FW3 up to Field Marshal. (And, probably resentful because Heinrich had still dumped him for Kaphengst despite Kalkreuth having gone to the effort of compromising poor Mina, claimed he was the true genius of the Seven-Years-War and had devised all of Heinrich's strategies.
Oh, wow, did not know this! Thank you for the additional context on the Heinrich favorites.
Which wasn't to be underestimated because Heinrich in the mid 1760s comes across as permanently depressed and in a bad mood, lashing out at people
Yeah, he wouldn't be the first or last to have this problem after a war, or to rise to the occasion when there was a real challenge to play to his strengths.
Therapy for everyone (including poor Mina).
Maybe potentially chatty Bayreuth artists just thought Catt would blab to Fritz and Thiebault would not?
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know Thiebault or his relationship with Fritz well enough to make a call, but personally, I wouldn't tell Catt about this.
I see no evidence from the Katte episode, anyway, that Catt had access to those memoirs. Whereas, as you saw, Thiebault is practically a verbatim transcript.
thus sounds like a genuine Fritz information.
Or something they made up or picked up from rumor. It does match W/P/T, though, so I maintain it either has to be rumor (a popular and long-standing rumor because it sounds so dramatic?), or actual Fritz. Actual Fritz does make the most sense to me.
If it's actual Fritz, it either comes to Catt directly from Fritz (which, aside from the date, seems reasonable enough--and he was with Fritz for 25 years), or indirectly, via Voltaire's memoirs or someone else.
Pöllnitz was still alive and in Berlin until the 1770s, but you tell me--you think he would have given Voltaire and/or Catt even a very abbreviated version of the Katte episode? Even a throwaway line about how--*lowers voice* "He thought HE was going to be executed, you know?"--if Catt brought it up in conversation? It seems unlikely to me, but I don't know Pöllnitz that well.
I would like Catt's episode to have been a, perhaps redated, actual conversation, because if Fritz really did believe he was about to be executed, and he did give the same rundown to Voltaire and Catt in person, then I do have a pretty plausible reconstruction of what happened. But see also the comment I'm about to make about that Grumbkow letter.
Aw, I wouldn't want to cause him further angst. It's just that between Lehndorff coming across in the diaries as liking and admiring him and considering him the true hero of 1730
Agreed. And it occurs to me, they would be having this conversation in the 1750s anyway, because that's when the one-who-got-away episode took place, and Lehndorff presumably wouldn't have had a beef with the Kattes before that. And by then Peter's gotten more royal favor and hopefully some closure.
So I'm down for them having this drink circa 1755! After the marriage kerfluffle, and before Peter dies (narrow window in between those two events, poor Peter). When dear cousin has been rudely married to a Katte and Glasow--Glasow!--is accompanying Fritz to the Netherlands, and Peter has been entrusted with administration responsibilities at the Academy and Charlottenburg and Tiergarten, and given an estate at Jägerhof, and has accompanied Fritz to Silesia at least once and gotten at least two bonuses (and my headcanon is this becomes an annual thing 1750-1755), so Peter can be more chill about the Kattes and sympathize with Lehndorff's frustrations. And they can toast their respective wives and kids. <3