Happy Fritzmas! (*) / Frederician discussion post 7

[cahn]

Frederician fandom is the best! 3 stories in main archive and 2 stories in Madness, eeeeeeee and I have only managed to read my own gifts so far (well, I guess Madness isn't open yet either, but even if it had been I wouldn't have managed to have read them) but they are so goooooood

Also, I would like to apologize on behalf of the fandom that none of us apparently managed any Fritz/Voltaire. Some of us, uh, didn't know enough about Voltaire, and we are Taking Steps to attempt to rectify this in the future if anyone requests it, say, next year. Just saying.

I'm making this post because the last one has an insane number of comments, but I still owe SO many comments on the last post and I kiiiinda would like to read and comment on Yuletide stories for the next week as time permits so I almost hope this post doesn't get much action and then we resume in the new year? (Especially since there is a limited amount of discussion we can do on the fics right now!) :D I was thinking of making another post anyway for reveals.

(*) My husband D came up with this :P :)

Comments

Re: Glasow

[mildred_of_midgard]

Funny timing! I had just finished hunting for Fredersdorf's dismissal in Preuss when I checked my email and saw your notification. In short, I found *nothing*. He says that Fredersdorf was one of the few to retain favor until the end of his life, and that he fell sick shortly before the Seven Years' War. I too am increasingly skeptical. Fredersdorf died on good terms with Fritz; that's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it!

While talking about Fredersdorf, Preuss talks about Fritz's relationships with his valets in general. One, he claims Fritz was verbally *and* physically abusive toward them. Sadly, I'm accumulating enough reports of Fritz being physically abusive that I believe it, and it seems the best one can say is that he was *less* physically abusive than FW.

Two, Preuss enumerates the valets/batmen/lackeys that got dismissed for stealing from Fritz. Glasow is mentioned, of course (in a "more on him later" kind of way), and so are a couple others. Including a Deesen, who was accused of stealing from Fritz, was ordered to become a drum-beater in the army as part of his punishment. Well, evidently he couldn't take the humiliation, and on July 23, 1775, shot himself at Sanssouci.

I can't find any more on this guy, but I was reminded of something you found in Burgdorf: "'The King's love could be deadly. Katte wasn't the only one who lost his life. A young officer, Gregorii, shot himself when Friedrich turned towards a new favourite.' Again, no footnote indicating where this story is from."

Well, I still have no footnote indicating where this story is from, but Preuss, in my experience, is pretty good about at least having sources (he's the one who compiled and published Fritz's correspondence, and his 4 volume bio of Fritz has 5 accompanying volumes of source material), so I wonder if Deesen's first name might be Gregorii, or if Burgdorf might otherwise be reporting the same story under a different name.

Also, "turned towards a new favourite" is completely different from "accused of stealing and dishonored," Burgdorf. Though I agree one might well be the cause of the other (in either direction).

Anyway, I'm going to ask our royal patron for the 9 volumes of Preuss and will get them uploaded. Not that I expect you to read them cover-to-cover! But you'll be able to look things up in them at will.

Re: Glasow

[selenak]

Given Burgdorf declared the Countess Orzelska a life Long platonic pen pal of Fritz (without any letters to show for it), declared any 19th and 20th century historians who were stating Fritz had some romantic interest in her, let alone sex, invented this entirely out of the blue, and stated Wilhelmine fancied Katte herself and was jealous Fritz got him without anything to back that up, either, it would be entirely in character for him to take the Deesen story and embellish it with added sex and dumping reasons.

Fredersdorf died on good terms with Fritz; that's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it!

Same here, until someone finally provides us with a direct credible citation as to where the embezzlement story comes from and why it was so successfully hushed up that one else seems to report on it. It wouldn't be the first wiki article to make a mistake, of course.

Re: Glasow

[mildred_of_midgard]

Agreed. The only offline source I've found so far who mentions Fredersdorf and embezzlement is MacDonogh, the notorious "source? what source?" biographer. In this case, no source given.

Re: Glasow

[cahn]

Fredersdorf died on good terms with Fritz; that's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it!

Same here, until someone finally provides us with a direct credible citation as to where the embezzlement story comes from and why it was so successfully hushed up that one else seems to report on it.

Me too!