How FW would have reacted to a Fritz not just geographically but hierarchically completely out of his control ...is beyond my power to imagine. From the first time his ambassador reports onwards about how HRH had a great time at the public concert last night, playing flute while MT sang, and that's before we get the first letter (in French, of course)
I'm dying, this is hilarious, I can't imagine FW's reaction either. Especially if the marriage was his idea!
"have suggested to the Emperor to request loan from our treasury" Yes, yes, he totally would have done that! LOL
Charles II/Catherine of Braganza: Yup, completely different political waters, agreed. I was just throwing that out there as another example of a Catholic princess being allowed to marry a Protestant sovereign, not as a close parallel.
Side note, it's "heir presumptive" in English.
Really hard to say. I mean, there's the rl example of her handling Joseph as a co-ruler
Agreed. It says a lot about her personality, but mother/son dynamics are completely different than wife/husband dynamics, especially in her place and time.
MT really lucked out with Franz Stefan
Agreed!!
the first vaguely not quite insulting thing Fritz said about her - while she was still alive - was "finally the Habsburgs produced a man again, and it's a woman"
Oh, Fritz! *laughing* Of course you said that.
Yeah, I feel like Fritz is in way over his head politically in this scenario.
To expand a little on this, his forte was not navigating complex interpersonal dynamics. His forte was deciding what he was going to do, entrenching his position, and defending it at all costs. He reminds me of the proverb, "'Take what you want and pay for it,' says God." His default when he felt threatened was the pre-emptive attack. When he didn't have enough power for that, passive resistance. The one time we see him so helpless neither of those was an option is the one time we see him faint.
And I do think that keeping EC at arm's length for life was both a pre-emptive attack (don't let her get any political power) and passive resistance (this marriage was forced on me, so I will undermine it to the utmost). Fritz was capable of keeping up both the pre-emptive attacks and the passive resistance against his father well after FW died. All of which is perfectly in keeping with child trauma psychology.
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Re: Nomination coordination redux
Date: 2019-10-01 04:56 pm (UTC)How FW would have reacted to a Fritz not just geographically but hierarchically completely out of his control ...is beyond my power to imagine. From the first time his ambassador reports onwards about how HRH had a great time at the public concert last night, playing flute while MT sang, and that's before we get the first letter (in French, of course)
I'm dying, this is hilarious, I can't imagine FW's reaction either. Especially if the marriage was his idea!
"have suggested to the Emperor to request loan from our treasury" Yes, yes, he totally would have done that! LOL
Charles II/Catherine of Braganza: Yup, completely different political waters, agreed. I was just throwing that out there as another example of a Catholic princess being allowed to marry a Protestant sovereign, not as a close parallel.
Side note, it's "heir presumptive" in English.
Really hard to say. I mean, there's the rl example of her handling Joseph as a co-ruler
Agreed. It says a lot about her personality, but mother/son dynamics are completely different than wife/husband dynamics, especially in her place and time.
MT really lucked out with Franz Stefan
Agreed!!
the first vaguely not quite insulting thing Fritz said about her - while she was still alive - was "finally the Habsburgs produced a man again, and it's a woman"
Oh, Fritz! *laughing* Of course you said that.
Yeah, I feel like Fritz is in way over his head politically in this scenario.
To expand a little on this, his forte was not navigating complex interpersonal dynamics. His forte was deciding what he was going to do, entrenching his position, and defending it at all costs. He reminds me of the proverb, "'Take what you want and pay for it,' says God." His default when he felt threatened was the pre-emptive attack. When he didn't have enough power for that, passive resistance. The one time we see him so helpless neither of those was an option is the one time we see him faint.
And I do think that keeping EC at arm's length for life was both a pre-emptive attack (don't let her get any political power) and passive resistance (this marriage was forced on me, so I will undermine it to the utmost). Fritz was capable of keeping up both the pre-emptive attacks and the passive resistance against his father well after FW died. All of which is perfectly in keeping with child trauma psychology.