This is pure fic research, to better be able to write a female character during the '45.
She will arrive in a stolen time machine from her twenty-third century university! She will convince BPC that if his generals aren't giving him what he wants (stupid generals wanting to turn back at Derby) that having Joan of Arc as a figurehead worked great for Charles VII of France and she is right here! And since the alternative is turning back, he will take her up on this! And--Oh, you said research your female character during the '45. Carry on, then. And well done. :'D
It has a lot of reports on troop movements and what the Jacobites were doing when in town—she is definitely interested in military matters
Good for her!
The bits about lots of women fighting on the battlefield are exaggerations, afaik.
Me: Didn't Jenny Cameron at least--
Wikipedia: As "Jenny Cameron", she became well-known after a number of sensationalised accounts of her life and deeds during the rising were published. The majority were almost entirely fictional and some were intended as anti-Stuart propaganda.
Me: Well, damn. So what did she do?
Wikipedia: Jean Cameron was reported to have been present at Glenfinnan on 19 August when Charles raised his standard; in line with her duties as proxy tacksman, she may have accompanied some of the Cameron levies from Morvern along with her cousin, Alexander Cameron of Dungallon. She may also have subsequently attended the Jacobite court in Edinburgh, but took little further part in the rebellion: a relative later suggested that despite sending some cattle to the Jacobite army she never actually met Charles himself.
Me: Never met Charles! This is not what I learned.
Wikipedia: Despite Cameron's limited involvement, a number of "cruel and apocryphal" accounts were circulated in England portraying Cameron either as an active military leader, an "amazon" marching at the head of her men, or as a "lewd woman" who became Charles's mistress. These were standard tropes of misogynistic satire of the period: the former credited her with military prowess (including being largely responsible for the victory at Prestonpans), unusual courage, physical strength, and often depicted her wearing male clothing. The latter, notably a prurient 1746 "memoir" written by an "Alexander Arbuthnot", described her as having a voracious sexual appetite and claimed she had borne several illegitimate children.
While untrue, such stories were intended to delegitimise the Jacobite cause by identifying it as the party of chaos and by suggesting its male leaders were cowards, morally bankrupt or otherwise inadequate.
Me: Well, of this, the only thing I learned was that she led her clan's troops to Glenfinnan, the rest, no, absolutely not, but now I'm disappointed that she wasn't actually leading the troops even for a short time and as a noncombatant!
(See, this is why I refuse to get sucked back in: I have way better sources now and I know that I could spend years covering the same ground I covered back then, and I don't want to cover the same ground. Same reason you guys haven't seen me doing a deep dive on the tactics of Fritzian battles: Even if I've forgotten the details, I already did that and need to learn new things, like the tactics of Malplaquet.)
in Spite of our Beards and boasted Wisdom!
In spite of your beard, sir!
ROFL! Masculine insecurity is spelled B-E-A-R-D, clearly. :P
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Re: Female Jacobites
Date: 2021-11-28 04:30 pm (UTC)This is pure fic research, to better be able to write a female character during the '45.
She will arrive in a stolen time machine from her twenty-third century university! She will convince BPC that if his generals aren't giving him what he wants (stupid generals wanting to turn back at Derby) that having Joan of Arc as a figurehead worked great for Charles VII of France and she is right here! And since the alternative is turning back, he will take her up on this! And--Oh, you said research your female character during the '45. Carry on, then. And well done. :'D
It has a lot of reports on troop movements and what the Jacobites were doing when in town—she is definitely interested in military matters
Good for her!
The bits about lots of women fighting on the battlefield are exaggerations, afaik.
Me: Didn't Jenny Cameron at least--
Wikipedia: As "Jenny Cameron", she became well-known after a number of sensationalised accounts of her life and deeds during the rising were published. The majority were almost entirely fictional and some were intended as anti-Stuart propaganda.
Me: Well, damn. So what did she do?
Wikipedia: Jean Cameron was reported to have been present at Glenfinnan on 19 August when Charles raised his standard; in line with her duties as proxy tacksman, she may have accompanied some of the Cameron levies from Morvern along with her cousin, Alexander Cameron of Dungallon. She may also have subsequently attended the Jacobite court in Edinburgh, but took little further part in the rebellion: a relative later suggested that despite sending some cattle to the Jacobite army she never actually met Charles himself.
Me: Never met Charles! This is not what I learned.
Wikipedia: Despite Cameron's limited involvement, a number of "cruel and apocryphal" accounts were circulated in England portraying Cameron either as an active military leader, an "amazon" marching at the head of her men, or as a "lewd woman" who became Charles's mistress. These were standard tropes of misogynistic satire of the period: the former credited her with military prowess (including being largely responsible for the victory at Prestonpans), unusual courage, physical strength, and often depicted her wearing male clothing. The latter, notably a prurient 1746 "memoir" written by an "Alexander Arbuthnot", described her as having a voracious sexual appetite and claimed she had borne several illegitimate children.
While untrue, such stories were intended to delegitimise the Jacobite cause by identifying it as the party of chaos and by suggesting its male leaders were cowards, morally bankrupt or otherwise inadequate.
Me: Well, of this, the only thing I learned was that she led her clan's troops to Glenfinnan, the rest, no, absolutely not, but now I'm disappointed that she wasn't actually leading the troops even for a short time and as a noncombatant!
(See, this is why I refuse to get sucked back in: I have way better sources now and I know that I could spend years covering the same ground I covered back then, and I don't want to cover the same ground. Same reason you guys haven't seen me doing a deep dive on the tactics of Fritzian battles: Even if I've forgotten the details, I already did that and need to learn new things, like the tactics of Malplaquet.)
in Spite of our Beards and boasted Wisdom!
In spite of your beard, sir!
ROFL! Masculine insecurity is spelled B-E-A-R-D, clearly. :P