Yeah, so first G1 cheated on his wife Sophia Dorothea of Celle with Melusine, then she cheated on him, then because of double standards, her lover got "disappeared" one night while she got locked up and forbidden to see her children for the rest of her life (some 30 years).
That is some spectacular double standards.
Because when your husband locks you up for decades because you cheated on him, and your lover was murdered in connection with this, you might be highly motivated to help overthrow him! SDC would have been a very powerful piece in the chess game of Hanovers vs. Jacobites, and G1 knew this.
Ah, okay, that makes sense.
the Jacobites tried to drag C12 into the mess too, but he was having none of it
I just read about that, actually! According to my source (Daniel Szechi) Sweden was actively flirting with the Jacobites because of being at war with Hanover. Maybe they never actually meant to commit, but still, it was probably a good way of getting concessions from Britain/Hanover just to make them stop considering it. Quoting from Szechi's book:
In February 1715, a syndicate of forty Tory financiers secretly offered to provide Sweden with a much needed loan of £200,000 (a huge sum in contemporary terms) on the understanding that Charles XII would invade Britain as soon as he could.¹⁰ The Swedes were definitely interested, but nothing was concluded before the ’15 intervened. When the dust settled on that affair, however, it was likely that the two sides would re-engage, and this indeed proved to be the case in August 1716 when the overtures of the Swedish ambassador to Paris, Count Erik Sparre, drew a prompt, positive response from the Jacobites. Within a short time the Swedish ambassador to Britain, Count Karl Gyllenborg, and his superior, Charles XII’s éminence grise, Baron Georg Heinrich von Görtz, were deeply involved in talks with prominent Jacobites, such as Atterbury and Mar, in Britain and France. As in 1715, what the Jacobites were offering was a substantial loan to be raised by the Jacobite movement in Britain and the diaspora in return for a Swedish invasion of northern England by an army of about 10,000 men.¹¹ The Swedish diplomats, while sympathetic to the Jacobites’ objectives, refused definitively to commit their master to waging war directly on Britain, but the negotiations nonetheless proceeded.¹²
In 1717, Charles was given a "loan" of £90,000 pounds, but then G1 got wind of it and arrested Gyllenborg. Charles had never made a real commitment but I'm sure he appreciated the money. Then later negotiations started up again, Spain also got into the deal, but then Charles was shot.
Maybe you had read all this already! I see that a few of the references are to Hatton but not all of them.
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Re: Sophia Dorothea of Celle, the Hatton take
Date: 2021-11-18 05:06 pm (UTC)That is some spectacular double standards.
Because when your husband locks you up for decades because you cheated on him, and your lover was murdered in connection with this, you might be highly motivated to help overthrow him! SDC would have been a very powerful piece in the chess game of Hanovers vs. Jacobites, and G1 knew this.
Ah, okay, that makes sense.
the Jacobites tried to drag C12 into the mess too, but he was having none of it
I just read about that, actually! According to my source (Daniel Szechi) Sweden was actively flirting with the Jacobites because of being at war with Hanover. Maybe they never actually meant to commit, but still, it was probably a good way of getting concessions from Britain/Hanover just to make them stop considering it. Quoting from Szechi's book:
In February 1715, a syndicate of forty Tory financiers secretly offered to provide Sweden with a much needed loan of £200,000 (a huge sum in contemporary terms) on the understanding that Charles XII would invade Britain as soon as he could.¹⁰ The Swedes were definitely interested, but nothing was concluded before the ’15 intervened. When the dust settled on that affair, however, it was likely that the two sides would re-engage, and this indeed proved to be the case in August 1716 when the overtures of the Swedish ambassador to Paris, Count Erik Sparre, drew a prompt, positive response from the Jacobites. Within a short time the Swedish ambassador to Britain, Count Karl Gyllenborg, and his superior, Charles XII’s éminence grise, Baron Georg Heinrich von Görtz, were deeply involved in talks with prominent Jacobites, such as Atterbury and Mar, in Britain and France. As in 1715, what the Jacobites were offering was a substantial loan to be raised by the Jacobite movement in Britain and the diaspora in return for a Swedish invasion of northern England by an army of about 10,000 men.¹¹ The Swedish diplomats, while sympathetic to the Jacobites’ objectives, refused definitively to commit their master to waging war directly on Britain, but the negotiations nonetheless proceeded.¹²
In 1717, Charles was given a "loan" of £90,000 pounds, but then G1 got wind of it and arrested Gyllenborg. Charles had never made a real commitment but I'm sure he appreciated the money. Then later negotiations started up again, Spain also got into the deal, but then Charles was shot.
Maybe you had read all this already! I see that a few of the references are to Hatton but not all of them.