Re: Gossipy Sensationalist annotations

Date: 2021-05-17 09:34 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (0)
Not replying in full at this time, because I have 9 more Spanish Succession write-ups to go :P, but just pulling out the one part where I have something to contribute:

If that marriage had produced offspring, said offspring would have topped his father in genetic inbred-ness.

I'm...not convinced of this. The algorithm is complicated enough and their family trees complicated enough that I was unable to work out the math on the back of a napkin during lunch, but I would be surprised. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would need to see a mathematical proof to believe it. Because from eyeballing it, it looks like the hypothetical offspring would be less inbred than Charles II.

Rationale:

Charles II had an inbreeding coefficient of 0.254. Source: this paper, where the numbers were computed using a database containing 3000 people, that ran to 16 generations of ancestry. (See also: things I couldn't do on the back of a napkin during lunch.)

That's slightly worse than if his parents had been siblings. (They were in fact most recently uncle and niece.)

Marie Louise's inbreeding coefficient was 0.078. Same source. Higher than the the average population, but less than one third of Charles's.

Furthermore, through the genealogical site that is Wikipedia, I've only been able to find two places where Charles II and Marie Louise's family trees merge. Their closest relationship to each that I found was first cousins once removed, through common descent from Philip III of Spain. And other than that, third cousins once removed through common descent from Ferdinand I, HRE.

That doesn't convince me that their offspring is going to be more inbred than the offspring of siblings.

Open to counterarguments and counterevidence, as always! (Either I missed some genealogical links between Charles and Marie Louise, which is possible, or when you work out the math rigorously, the final number is higher than I'm guessing, due to the sheer amount of inbred common ancestors.)
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