Hervey: Not for me. I'm quite happy blaming Fritz of Wales for everything personally in my memoirs. And in my letters, especially for dumping me.
Leopold: I was also happy to blame Joseph, personally. I mean, I also bitched about the low company he kept on the one hand and those bigotted high born ladies on the other, but "Joseph is the worst!" still was my go to explanation in my la familiglia rant about everything he did wrong.
Hahaha!
Me neither. Moltke should have seen this coming. Perhaps did, but doesn't want to say so in the memoirs, because that's not the convention. He'd have to admit to the neglect and abuse first.
Moltke admit to something? Never!
As I said to Cahn, I doubt he admitted it to himself consciously. But he might have seen this coming in the sense that he might very well have known he didn't have a bond with Christian and Christian was not a fan. As you say, politically powerful favorites to consecutive monarchs are very rare, and Moltke must have known this.
Although sometimes the favorite survives the transition to the new regime, even if he's not the *favorite* of the new monarch, like Mazarin. I suspect it helped Louis's acceptance of him that he wasn't an emotional favorite of Dad's, just a political colleague, and he was the emotional favorite of *Mom*. And of course the regency: Christian came to power when he was 17, old enough to reign in his own name.
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Christian came to power when he was 17, old enough to reign in his own name.
Yes, that makes a big difference. Louis XIV was literally a child.
Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.
(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)
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Louis XIII appointed him at a dying Richelieu's request and himself died within a year, so I don't think kid Louis XIV saw Mazarin in a context to his late father, but, as you say, very much in a context with his mother.
I'd forgotten it was within a year, though I did remember he wasn't Louis XIII's favorite, just "a" favorite of the previous regime and could easily have been dismissed when Louis XIV came of age.
Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.
Very true. It went: "dimissed without a pension, restored, dismissed without a pension, pension eventually granted."
(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)
Aww. Poor Heinrich! Well, salon loves you, Heinrich!
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Re: Danish kings and their favorites: Frederik V and Moltke
Leopold: I was also happy to blame Joseph, personally. I mean, I also bitched about the low company he kept on the one hand and those bigotted high born ladies on the other, but "Joseph is the worst!" still was my go to explanation in my la familiglia rant about everything he did wrong.
Hahaha!
Me neither. Moltke should have seen this coming. Perhaps did, but doesn't want to say so in the memoirs, because that's not the convention. He'd have to admit to the neglect and abuse first.
Moltke admit to something? Never!
As I said to Cahn, I doubt he admitted it to himself consciously. But he might have seen this coming in the sense that he might very well have known he didn't have a bond with Christian and Christian was not a fan. As you say, politically powerful favorites to consecutive monarchs are very rare, and Moltke must have known this.
Although sometimes the favorite survives the transition to the new regime, even if he's not the *favorite* of the new monarch, like Mazarin. I suspect it helped Louis's acceptance of him that he wasn't an emotional favorite of Dad's, just a political colleague, and he was the emotional favorite of *Mom*. And of course the regency: Christian came to power when he was 17, old enough to reign in his own name.
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Now, Mazarin able to win Anne's favour despite being Cardinal Richelieu's chosen protegé, given the long time Anne & Richelieu hostility, that is a rare case indeed.
Christian came to power when he was 17, old enough to reign in his own name.
Yes, that makes a big difference. Louis XIV was literally a child.
Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.
(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)
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I'd forgotten it was within a year, though I did remember he wasn't Louis XIII's favorite, just "a" favorite of the previous regime and could easily have been dismissed when Louis XIV came of age.
Still, it could have gone worse for Moltke. At least he wasn't banished, or stripped of his earthly possessions or something like that.
Very true. It went: "dimissed without a pension, restored, dismissed without a pension, pension eventually granted."
(Heinrich: Or despite NOT having been a favourite of the previous King basically told he should stay in retirement and that his services were unwanted for anything but reading tips. Grrr. Argh.)
Aww. Poor Heinrich! Well, salon loves you, Heinrich!
Re: Danish kings and their favorites: Frederik V and Moltke