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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2023-02-06 02:49 pm
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Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 41

Now, thanks to interesting podcasts, including characters from German history as a whole and also Byzantine history! (More on this later.)
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Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2023-02-14 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, maybe when your French is better and you're casting around for something to practice on

HAHAHA okay I need to update you on my French. It's now almost as good as my German--I read 65 pages of a biography of Philippe II yesterday, and have read 20 pages already today. I can read faster generally in French than in German, but have to stop and look up more words, so it works out to about the same overall speed as in German. I am way past the need for repetitive text, and I'm not casting around for something to practice on. My reading list is huge already and I'm actually able to read most things on it. :P

That's why I'm skeptical I'll have time for this one, which isn't anywhere near the top 50 of my reading list. I was thinking specifically of Lehndorff, as in, I haven't even read more than a couple hundred pages of Lehndorff, and he's much higher on my list! (There's also the problem with this diary that it's a non-OCRed pdf, which means I can't stop and look up words. I'm going to have be substantially better before I can do that.)

Also, I am so, so sorry, guys--if I'd known that there was going to be this much of a discrepancy between my French and my German learning speeds, and that French was not going to have to come at the expense of German, I would have started French sooner. I could have been reading salon all kinds of things in the last 3 years!

But now I'm just alternating French and German and trying to get my reading speeds in both up, so that it doesn't take me a week to read a book and that only if I do nothing else. But for now that means I do almost nothing else, which is why I am reading along with but not participating in the Louis XIV and Byzantine discussions. :/

From my Philippe reading yesterday (this is 12-13th century, [personal profile] cahn, he's most famous to an Anglophone audience for his interactions with Richard the Lionheart), I give you this tidbit: his main nickname that he's known by may be "Auguste", for obvious as well as not so obvious reasons, but among his other contemporary nicknames was "Philippe le Mal Peigné", i.e. "Philippe the Badly Combed", because his hair was so shaggy!

I admit, I was not expecting that.
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Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte

[personal profile] selenak 2023-02-14 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
See, my way of distinguishing this particular Philippe from all the other Philippes in French history would have been to say he was played by a young Timothy Dalton in The Lion in Winter, so the hair thing figures.

(Mature Timothy Dalton was interviewed about five or so years ago and had some great stories about the shooting of that film. As a young actor, he totally fanboyed both Katherine Hepburn and Peter O'Toole, as you would, and had a wonderful description of O'Toole's performance in the "I have no sons!" scene after Henry busts everyone ein Philippe's bedchamber.

Sadly, while Philippe the shaggy haired struck me as an intriguing character in that play/film, I had to do some research more than a decade ago and the antisemitic acts he's responsible for are extraordinary even for a medieval ruler.
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Re: Court of Louis XIV: Madame est morte

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2023-02-14 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
the antisemitic acts he's responsible for are extraordinary even for a medieval ruler.

Yeah, that's the other thing I know him for. :/