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selenak ([personal profile] selenak) wrote in [personal profile] cahn 2023-02-12 10:14 am (UTC)

Re: Danish kings and their favorites: Frederik V and Moltke

First of all, thank you for this glorious write up. Individual observations:

re: Bigotted Christian VI - I was wondering for a second whether this was the one at whose court a young Manteuffel was Saxon envoy, and then I looked at the date and saw it couldn't have been, that was his father.

Death by drink and orgies: good to know he paid instead of exercising, to use a ghastly euphemism, royal prerogative. Also, I take it he didn't infect either of his wives with an STD?

Moltke
Count (dammit, I had to delete "Graf"


LOL. Google probably wasn't any help, what with a famous Graf Moltke waiting in the Bismarckian wings, while an also famous (at least in Germany) WWII era resistance fighter does as well. I hadn't been aware there were Danish Moltkes before these two, either. But given the constant overlap between Danish and German nobility due to the eternal Schleswig-Holstein question, I'm not surprised there were.

Moltke doing a Mazarin in pointedly nixing the chance to have his family marry into the royal family: as all your reasons sound plausible, I vote for "all of the above". Also, did it ever go well if a favourite DID use the chance for intermarriage?

Juliana's much less laid-back than Louise, much more of a stickler for etiquette (this is explained as a German court thing)

Meanwhile, remember SD complaining that Juliana's older sisters didn't know nearly enough etiquette? Even Lehndorff thinks EC lacks grandeur and would have been happy as the wife and more suited to the life of a country squire. Of course, SD's whole "I am the daughter of a King and I know about etiquette the best!" thing is marred by the fact she was raised as the daughter of a Prince Elector, never set foot on England, and the only royal court she ever saw was the Prussian one. And there's young AnhaltSophie who thinks the court at Braunschweig is actually far more more splendid than the one at Berlin under FW. (Okay, the last one isn't exactly a good standard, as courts go...) Anyway, given that EC and Louise the wife of AW are looked down on by their Hohenzollern in-laws in terms of manners and royal etiquette, my suspicion is that if their kid sister Juliana is regarded as way more formal than a Hannover cousin, it's more a Juliana thing than a German thing.

(I mean: there are of course the Habsburgs, who have by far the most formal etiquette of the era, but that's partly because Charles imported the Spanish etiquette, and anyway, the imperial court is its own thing. On the other hand, you have August the Strong and his court, outpartying everyone who doesn't actually die of it, and the Saxons would be mightly offended if you considered them less German.




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