Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 40

[cahn]

I'm trying to use my other account at least occasionally so I posted about my Yuletide gifts there, including the salon-relevant 12k fic that features Fritz, Heinrich, Voltaire, Fredersdorf, Saint Germain, Caroline Daum (Fredersdorf's wife), and Groundhog Day tropes! (Don't need to know canon.)

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Rohan genealogy

[mildred_of_midgard]

Because the question came up in email: How are these members of the Rohan family related?

1. The Rohan whose thugs beat up Voltaire, leading to one of Voltaire's stints in the Bastille and his exile to England. 

2. The Rohan who was duped in Marie Antoinette's affair of the necklace.

3. The Rohan whose wife had an affair with Bonnie Prince Charlie.

4. The Rohan who had an affair with Bonnie Prince Charlie's illegitimate daughter.

Okay, #3 was not asked in email, but she was the first Rohan(-by-marriage) I learned about, so I had to include her. I did look up how they were all related toward the beginning of salon, because I had the same question, but I've since forgotten, so here goes again.

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Believe it or not, 2-4 are brothers! 1 is a from a different branch entirely, and I hope you appreciate all the copy-pasting and forgive any errors. ;)

Louis I de Rohan Guemene, d. 1457
Louis II de Rohan Guemene	Pierre I de Rohan Gie
Louis III de Rohan Guemene	Pierre II de Rohan Gie
Louis IV de Rohan Guemene	Rene I de Rohan
Louis V de Rohan Guemene	Rene II de Rohan
Louis VI de Rohan Guemene	Henri II de Rohan
Hercule de Rohan Guemene	Marguerite de Rohan1
Louis VIII de Rohan Guemene	Louis de Rohan Chabot
Charles II de Rohan Guemene	Guy Auguste de Rohan Chabot2
Charles III de Rohan Guemene
Hercule Meriadec de Rohan Guemene
3 Rohan brothers

1. Married Henri Chabot, founded the Rohan-Chabot line.
2. Had his thugs beat up Voltaire.

Re: Rohan genealogy

[luzula]

Ha ha, when I first saw the comment appear in my email, I thought you had ventured into Tolkien territory. : P

Did not know about that mistress of BPC (who appears also to have been his cousin), nor the guy his daughter had an affair with! But then, I haven't yet read the McLynn biography of BPC, which I will no doubt inevitably do some day...

Re: Rohan genealogy

[mildred_of_midgard]

I mean, that's also what I thought when I saw the snippet of Selena's email in Gmail!

Did not know about that mistress of BPC (who appears also to have been his cousin), nor the guy his daughter had an affair with! But then, I haven't yet read the McLynn biography of BPC, which I will no doubt inevitably do some day...

BPC's mistress is pretty well known (she also shows up in Outlander, which I realize you haven't read), but Clementina's affair is very obscure. It came as a surprise to me to learn about it in the last few years (slightly before salon?), and it might not be in McLynn.

What I would really like to read is The Stuarts' Last Secret: The Missing Heirs of Bonnie Prince Charlie, published in 2002 (I left Jacobite fandom in 2001), by Peter Pininski, who discovered, to his surprise, that Clementina had had an affair and illegitimate children, and that he was their descendant. (No, he is not claiming the throne, he seems very sane.) You can read about it here.

Re: Rohan genealogy

[selenak]

I thought Clementina was the mistress of BPC, while the daughter's name was Charlotte? Anyway, the reason why I knew about the Rohan affair is that the last episode of the audio series The Stuarts which I reviewed here has Charlotte as the central character, and gives her essentially a Becky Sharp/Scarlett O'Hara characterisation, with the Rohan affair her very pragmatic way to get out of obscurity and genteel poverty and into an arrangement that's beneficial to both sides, but just an episode on her way to her ultimate goal (get Dad to recognize her as legitimate heir). Now I don't know when Mike Wallace wrote the series, but clearly he did know about the Rohan connection.

Re: Rohan genealogy

[mildred_of_midgard]

Yes, typo, thank you!

Re: Rohan genealogy

[luzula]

Re: Pininski, interesting! Thanks, I've read the bit you linked to now, at least. (Yes, I know we've switched to a new post, sorry! You don't need to reply...)

Re: Rohan genealogy

[selenak]

Thank you, oh mighty genealogy detector! Your work is indeed much appreciated.