Historical Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 40

[cahn]

I'm trying to use my other account at least occasionally so I posted about my Yuletide gifts there, including the salon-relevant 12k fic that features Fritz, Heinrich, Voltaire, Fredersdorf, Saint Germain, Caroline Daum (Fredersdorf's wife), and Groundhog Day tropes! (Don't need to know canon.)

Comments

Re: Lochiel of the '45, by John Sibbald Gibson (1994)

[mildred_of_midgard]

This was great, thanks! Always keep the Jacobite material coming, even if I'm resisting the temptation to get sucked back in to researching it myself.

I didn't know that MacDonald of Keppoch, who was a Protestant, refused to let his large numbers of Catholics have a chaplain, which led to some desertion...

I did know this! It was why when I read the Outlander books in high school, I was indignant that Gabaldon has Keppoch bringing a Catholic priest along. But since then, I've encountered the opposite claim, e.g. in McLynn (big name Jacobite historian), that Keppoch himself was Catholic! I haven't been able to trace the "refused to let them have a chaplain" claim back further than the 19th century (although I haven't really tried, because resisting temptation). Does your book by chance give a source?

ETA: Note that Wikipedia says "allegedly" and gives a 1928 source.

nice to see that the brothers were on such good terms.

Yeah, my faint memories suggest they weren't super close and didn't have a lot in common, but they weren't on *bad* terms either, so an embrace doesn't surprise me. Aww at Lochiel trying to protect him, though.

‘Tomorrow we are going to carry out some thorough searches. If there is any contraband I think you would do well to get it under undercover tonight.’

Hahaha, there are similar stories about Katte's arrest! (Alas, he did not get undercover that night.)

Re: Lochiel of the '45, by John Sibbald Gibson (1994)

[luzula]

I haven't been able to trace the "refused to let them have a chaplain" claim back further than the 19th century (although I haven't really tried, because resisting temptation). Does your book by chance give a source?
Nope! As I noted frustratedly at another point in the text, this book is not great about giving sources. : ( So if you've also read that he was a Catholic, I am not going to insist that this book is right. If it was relevant to my fic writing, I would put effort into finding out which is the true claim... But I don't think I am invested enough to research it otherwise.

Re: Lochiel of the '45, by John Sibbald Gibson (1994)

[mildred_of_midgard]

Yeah, I know the feeling. :/ One of the places where I've read he was Catholic is McLynn's "Issues and Motives in the Jacobite Rising of 1745", but he also doesn't give a direct citation (at least I don't remember one, I would have to log into JSTOR to check).

Re: Lochiel of the '45, by John Sibbald Gibson (1994)

[luzula]

Probably it is inevitable that I will someday read McLynn's biography of BPC...