Oh man, Alice Lisle :(((((( Heh, I like her declaring that she'd been "instructed in the belief, that if Popery should return to this nation, it would be a great judgement." :( At least Ketch seems to have done his job with her with one blow :( (Man, I hope that all those people that took multiple blows fainted immediately, because omg.) Macaulay, you are right and you should say it :P
he three even went iceskating together, which only happened when he was with them. (Neither of them was able to, but he taught them.)
AW. This is too cute. I am a fan of the OT3!
Which is another example of James II. creating his own dangers,because it's at least questionable whether Monmouth, as long as he had a safe harbor with William and Mary, would have gone through with that final rebellion (especially considering that his two cousins weren't just Protestant but legitimate and had the better claim).
Oh, huh! Yeah, I am making my way through the Jude Morgan, and James (not-yet-II)... this seems entirely consistent with the picture Morgan is drawing :P
I should say that the nonfiction Monmouth biographer (whom I read after having read the novel) disagrees with Jude Morgan, novelist, on how bad the James/Jemmy relationship was early on, i.e. the non fiction biographer thinks they got along well for some years until Monmouth was starting to have followers of his own and the rumors that Charles would legitimize him and/or that he was the product of a secret marriage and thus legitimate to begin with were becoming not idle but an actual political weapon. Whereas in Morgan's novel they go from mild dislike to active hatred. But for the most part, both authors agree on James as a person.
The non fiction biographer, btw, thinks the reason why Charles while acknowledging all his bastards did have such a close relationship to Monmouth in particular and did more for him than for any of the others wasn't just because Jemmy was the oldest (Charles had been only 18 when getting him), but that all the other children had their mothers to fight for them and care for them. Whereas Charles had kidnapped this oldest son from his mother, and then she had died, so there was no other parent/champion. For good or ill, anything that this oldest child became was on Charles.
Ah, that's good to know about the James/Jemmy relationship! And that they agree on James :)
Huh, assuming that the biographer is right about that, that does seem to say good things about Charles, that it was this child he needed to take care of. (I mean... kind of low bar, okay, but one of those low bars that I feel like a lot of people didn't/don't meet?)
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he three even went iceskating together, which only happened when he was with them. (Neither of them was able to, but he taught them.)
AW. This is too cute. I am a fan of the OT3!
Which is another example of James II. creating his own dangers,because it's at least questionable whether Monmouth, as long as he had a safe harbor with William and Mary, would have gone through with that final rebellion (especially considering that his two cousins weren't just Protestant but legitimate and had the better claim).
Oh, huh! Yeah, I am making my way through the Jude Morgan, and James (not-yet-II)... this seems entirely consistent with the picture Morgan is drawing :P
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The non fiction biographer, btw, thinks the reason why Charles while acknowledging all his bastards did have such a close relationship to Monmouth in particular and did more for him than for any of the others wasn't just because Jemmy was the oldest (Charles had been only 18 when getting him), but that all the other children had their mothers to fight for them and care for them. Whereas Charles had kidnapped this oldest son from his mother, and then she had died, so there was no other parent/champion. For good or ill, anything that this oldest child became was on Charles.
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Huh, assuming that the biographer is right about that, that does seem to say good things about Charles, that it was this child he needed to take care of. (I mean... kind of low bar, okay, but one of those low bars that I feel like a lot of people didn't/don't meet?)