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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2021-11-06 07:29 am
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18th-Century Characters, Including Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 32

:) Still talking about Charles XII of Sweden / the Great Northern War and the Stuarts and the Jacobites, among other things!
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Re: Female Jacobites

[personal profile] selenak 2021-11-28 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
And your Oglethorpe was not a Jacobite, it seems, since he fought for the Hanoverian side in the '45!

He was not, but he did get accused of Jacobite sympathies, which is one reason why he ended up undercover with old time bff James Keith in the Seven Years War. To quote wiki: Oglethorpe was tasked with intercepting retreating Scots before they reached Preston, Lancashire in December 1945. On the 17th, he was initially ordered to engage with the rear of the Scots, led by George Murray, at Shap. The orders were amended to trap the Scots in town early the next morning upon Oglethorpe's intelligence, but the Scots left as the orders were changed. The following day, Oglethorpe travelled to Clifton in Westmorland and took a bridge from the Scots before the Clifton Moor Skirmish that evening. At the skirmish, the British were defeated. Because Oglethorpe had allowed Scots to escape from Shap, he was blamed with the defeat, accused of disobeying orders, and potentially being a Jacobite. The following year, Oglethorpe was court martialled for his actions. After a lengthy defense, he was acquitted by a panel of twelve high-ranking military officials, led by Thomas Wentworth. On 19 September 1747, Oglethorpe was promoted to lieutenant general. However, the Duke of Cumberland, who had been in command at Clifton Moor, 'blacklisted' Oglethorpe from holding command.

And then he went undercover. If his sisters were devoted Jacobites, it probably added to Cumberland and co side-eyeing him.

ETA: Also, thank you for all the intel on the female Jacobites, that is intriguing.
Edited 2021-11-28 16:46 (UTC)
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Re: Female Jacobites

[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-30 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! And checking Duffy, I see that he has more info on Oglethorpe and the '45, it's just that I wasn't interested in him before. It seems he was just on his way to Georgia with his company of Georgia Rangers when the war broke out, and stayed to fight. Also it does mention his two well-known Jacobite sisters, which made him suspect.

More on female Jacobites coming, eventually! Am reading a Ph D thesis on the topic now.