Frederick the Great and Other 18th-C Characters, Discussion Post 31

[cahn]

And in this post:

-luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!

-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!

-mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War

(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)

-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D

Comments

Re: First Part of the '45 (up to Derby)

[luzula]

All I've got is this quote, from Christopher Duffy's Fight for a Throne: In 1744, "Prince Charles, (who had travelled from Rome incognito) fell out badly with George Keith [...] and there could be no question of the two working together again."

But BPC did later regret it: "I find it a great loss the brave Lord Marischal is not with me, his character is very high in this country, as it must be wherever he is known, I’d rather see him than 1000 French".

Re: First Part of the '45 (up to Derby)

[(Anonymous)]

I dimly recall that there was an entire passage in Boswell's journals where Rousseau (who was a George Keith protegé) shares the gossip about what exactly happened between BPC and George Keith with Boswell. Alas, he does so in French, Boswell transcribes it in French, the historical-critical edition I read didn't translate, either, and I wasn't interested enough in BPC to bother with the passage beyond checking what it is about back when I had the book available from the library, especially since Boswell does record a translation between him and George Keith about his disillusionment with the Stuarts on another occasion (in English).

Re: First Part of the '45 (up to Derby)

[luzula]

Ah, thanks! Now I know where to look if I want to...