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Re: Pamela

[personal profile] selenak 2021-08-21 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
Cultural references can be a curse if one isn't totally immersed in the culture. And even then - I know about the Aeneid, but I totally would have missed Fritz comparing himself to a left Dido in his angry 1743 letter to Voltaire if Mildred hadn't recognized the quote! At least usually one gets the gist of what's meant, as when Fritz in the Marwitz letters to Heinrich rattles of a couple of similes to, I take it, then popular epics, plays and novels to taunt younger brother with.

Orange peel: I don't think he invented it, either, just like I totally believe in the laundry quote. For the later, we have people referencing the story long before Voltaire's memoirs are published, including such unlikely sources as my guy Boswell in his 1764 diary (having heard a version of it before meeting Voltaire) and MT in her letter to Joseph during the early stage of the War of the Bavarian Succession. For the former, it fits in spirit with something that Fritz did write - remember, when he haggled abouto Voltaire's travelling expenses back in the 1740 day, he actually write "no court jester was ever so expensive" (which brought me up short when coming across it, because for Fritz to use the jester simile when his father isn't dead for a year (and Gundling for nine years, while his successors are luckily still alive but no thanks to FW) is - well, as cold as the orange peel line sounds if you hear it the first time.

He doesn't say that the dirty laundry story is false! He just, you know, implies and insinuates that it's false

Voltaire: clearly still benefitting from excellent education at Louis le Grand, in this case, having read his Tacitus. (Who employed this technique, named insinuatio, a lot; for example, reading Tacitus, you're totally left with the impression he's saying Tiberius and his mother Livia ordered and/or sponsored the death of Germanicus, but if you check the lines word by word, he's never claiming that they did directly. He's just reporting rumors and, well, insinuating.


-"Coquettes, kings, poets are accustomed to be flattered. Frederic unites these three crowns." LOL FOREVER


It is an absolute gem of a line. It's also the kind of characterisation of their hero that 19th and early 20th century nationalist historians absolutely could not stomach, and for which they called Voltaire a liar as much as for his actual fabrications. Conversely, I don't think many a French admirer would have been cool with Fritz' observation that if Voltaire had had armies at his disposal, he totally would have used them to go after his literary enemies. Which, yes. They did see each other very clearly, these two. And that's why I'm shipping them.

if this were a real letter ...why would he have recited so carefully the entire story, given that she was, in fact, there?!

Wow, yes, an "As you know, Bob" letter to Madame Denis does give the game away somewhat. Though it's interesting that Voltaire when reworking and rewriting the letters didn't simply use another correspondant for this last letter (thus avoiding the inconvenience of telling Marie-Louise Denis something she's been a participant of). Presumably friends and relations not Madame Denis (who would have been totally on board with any revenge project for obvious reasons) would not have handed over the original letters? Which, btw, is good to know, since for the early stage of his Prussian adventure (when he's bringing on all the flirtation/wedding/made for each other stuff), we have a letter saying essentially the same thing to his other niece. (The one Orieux actually liked.)

The dictionary for the use of kings!

Your version for mods was another bit that made me scream in delight, btw.

And it bears repeating - titling this entire endeavour "Pamela" is hilarious by itself, due to Richardson's "young virtuous and naive middle class ingenieu"/"debauched aristocratic bastard" constellation in the original Pamela.

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Re: Pamela

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-08-22 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Your version for mods was another bit that made me scream in delight, btw.

Same!
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Re: Pamela

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-08-22 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Look at you doing scholarly research! This is amazing! :DDD

(Mildred will at some point, when she's a little less busy, post this in the library.)

Oh right! Thank you for the reminder. I will indeed. This weekend I've decided to devote entirely to book-digitizing in hopes of getting it over with sooner rather than later. Poor Peter Keith's ghost is waiting patiently, and now Wilhelmine's travel diary will have to wait a couple weeks before I can start (it mostly seems to be a list of sights seen, so there may not be much exciting material), but I've added Pamela to my post-digitization todo list as well.

-I would love to read Magnan's writing on this, if Royal Detective can get her hands on it :D

Royal Detective looked into this when we first learned about it and came to the conclusion that it would be doable but not cheap. It's totally on my list for when I finish German and move on to French, though. Do you want it now, or are you willing to wait until next year?

ETA:

...huh, I just reread that bit and you know what he doesn't say?! He doesn't say that the dirty laundry story is false! He just, you know, implies and insinuates that it's false. But he doesn't come out outright and say it. Hmmmmmm.

Yes, one of the Fritz or Voltaire biographers I've read, I forget which, says that Voltaire's objection wasn't that the story was false, but that it was passed onto Fritz.
Edited 2021-08-22 14:05 (UTC)
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Re: Pamela

[personal profile] selenak 2021-08-23 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
The first draft of my comment above actually said that Voltaire said Maupertuis was slandering him, and then I thought, let me read that one more time before I press "post comment" on that, and then I was like... hmm...

:) Yep, it's all a matter of phrasing. (Hey, Voltaire had experience with law suits by then!) At no point does he deny having said it. Incidentally, since La Mettrie was the source Voltaire names for the orange peel quote, I looked up again what Nicolai claims D'Argens told him re: his fellow knights of the Sanssouci Table Round (reminder: in summation, that none of them loved Fritz and were worthy the way D'Argens was) , and it is this:

De La Mettrie wasn't really held in high regard by the King. Instead, (Fritz) regarded him as a clown who could amuse him entre deux vins now and then. De La Mettrie behaved very undignified towards the King; not only did he blab everywhere in Berlin about everything that was talked about at the King's table, he also narrated everything twistedly, with malicious addenda.

Though Nicolai doesn't say so directly, I do suspect that refers to the orange peel quote, and if so, note the La Mettrie put down doesn't claim La Mettrie invented stories, just that he "narrated everything twistedly". And so you don't have to look it up at Rheinsberg, here's D'Argens-via-Nicolai on Maupertuis and Voltaire:

Maupertuis, whom the King esteemed for his scientific abilities and pleasant manners, was full of quirks and pretensions, and envious of everyone for whom the King had as much as a kind word, for he thought he'd lose whatever the other gained. He was never satisfied, and consequently caused great irritation to the King whom he annoyed with his quirks and who would have liked to see him content.

Voltaire, although the greatest writer of them all by far, was the most ungrateful towards the King. He was jealous of everyone whom the King preferred. His utmost bitterness resulted from believing the King didn't distinguish him enough from the other scholarly favourites. Full of pride and petulance, he often when everyone was in great spirits lashed out against the others in the King's company, which displeased the King himself not a few times; two times, when Voltaire had been too insolent, the King had to speak as a King, and Voltaire, as proud as he'd been, was now immediately humbled. But he avenged himself through impudent and partially false stories he spread behind the King's back.


(Footnote from Nicolai here: D'Argens once told me with the vivaciousness of a Provence man about Voltaire: Le Bastard a de l'esprit come trente, mais il est malicious come un vieux singe.)

As I said in my original Nicolai write up - partially false? I note you never enlighten us which parts you and D'Argens think weren't false, Nicolai.
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Re: Pamela

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-08-23 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I also haven't forgotten I owe you some FamilySearch lookups, but ironically this will have to wait

Yes, please wait! I have at least 2 more weeks of book-digitizing to go! Then you can do all the family searching for me in the world.

Nah, I'll wait until next year for Magnan!

Sounds good! It's definitely high on my list, assuming I manage to get to a good stopping point with German by the time I'm still in this fandom and motivated to study French.